OT: Corona virus

[Canoerebel]

Human sacrifice.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US weekly jobless claims hit 3.84 million, topping 30 million over the last 6 weeks
18 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... r-BB13qlJV



"First-time filings for unemployment insurance hit 3.84 million last week as the wave of economic pain continues, though the worst appears to be in the past."

"Gross domestic product contracted 4.8% in the first quarter, according to a government report Wednesday that is expected to look much worse when the final revisions are in and only begins to show how much damage has been done.

Economists not only expect the Q1 number to end up sharply lower but predict a second-quarter decline worse than anything the U.S. has ever seen."

Gee, just last week the Govt said unemployment would peak at 27 million, when we were at 26 million unemployed.

It is exceptionally hard to see the economy rebounding.

We all tend to forget that if businesses that had layoffs reopen soon, they will need those same workers back. I think a lot of this is service industry. So it's imperative we get through the hump of the last part of this curve and figure out how to safely open.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Rules for me, but not for thee....


Barack Obama Goes Golfing at Country Club the Day After Michelle Urged African Americans to Stay Home

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... ne-n386764

Any data on other currently serving public officials golfing you'd like to share? [;)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US weekly jobless claims hit 3.84 million, topping 30 million over the last 6 weeks
18 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... r-BB13qlJV



"First-time filings for unemployment insurance hit 3.84 million last week as the wave of economic pain continues, though the worst appears to be in the past."

"Gross domestic product contracted 4.8% in the first quarter, according to a government report Wednesday that is expected to look much worse when the final revisions are in and only begins to show how much damage has been done.

Economists not only expect the Q1 number to end up sharply lower but predict a second-quarter decline worse than anything the U.S. has ever seen."

Gee, just last week the Govt said unemployment would peak at 27 million, when we were at 26 million unemployed.

It is exceptionally hard to see the economy rebounding.

We all tend to forget that if businesses that had layoffs reopen soon, they will need those same workers back. I think a lot of this is service industry. So it's imperative we get through the hump of the last part of this curve and figure out how to safely open.

warspite1

I'm afraid I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as that. For one thing we are not going back to 'normal' anytime soon. The obvious examples are travel firms, airlines, hotels etc. It's not just one's own country that needs to be out of lock down, it's the destination country too. But who is going to be brave enough to book a holiday without knowing their insurance will pay out? Added to which of course, many people - certainly those most at risk - will still be wary of going out to restaurants, cinemas etc etc. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is going to be one slow emergence from a gigantic mess - and that assumes no second wave adding fuel to the fire.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Rules for me, but not for thee....


Barack Obama Goes Golfing at Country Club the Day After Michelle Urged African Americans to Stay Home

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... ne-n386764

Any data on other currently serving public officials golfing you'd like to share? [;)]

He is not serving anything other than himself and his family . . .

No other comment . . . [:@]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Rules for me, but not for thee....


Barack Obama Goes Golfing at Country Club the Day After Michelle Urged African Americans to Stay Home

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/m ... ne-n386764

Any data on other currently serving public officials golfing you'd like to share? [;)]

If you know anything, please share.

[Canoerebel]

Spain reported its lowest mortality (268) since March 20. Good news.

Belgium, with 93, it's lowest since March 30.

Denmark, which eased some countermeasures two weeks ago, has been up and down with mortality but stable in new cases.

There have been media reports that Germany might have to reimpose countermeasures due to a spike, but the number of new cases remains about level.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Human sacrifice.

Disgusting wording. How many lives are shortened by having worse economies? Quite a large number. Look at the increase in average life span compared with 100, 200 years ago.

Every action has consequences, whether you recognize them and acknowledge them or not.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US weekly jobless claims hit 3.84 million, topping 30 million over the last 6 weeks
18 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... r-BB13qlJV



"First-time filings for unemployment insurance hit 3.84 million last week as the wave of economic pain continues, though the worst appears to be in the past."

"Gross domestic product contracted 4.8% in the first quarter, according to a government report Wednesday that is expected to look much worse when the final revisions are in and only begins to show how much damage has been done.

Economists not only expect the Q1 number to end up sharply lower but predict a second-quarter decline worse than anything the U.S. has ever seen."

Gee, just last week the Govt said unemployment would peak at 27 million, when we were at 26 million unemployed.

It is exceptionally hard to see the economy rebounding.

We all tend to forget that if businesses that had layoffs reopen soon, they will need those same workers back.

the keyword there is "if". A lot of businesses won't reopen. Heck, I saw even the NFL is slashing pay.

In PA, once on unemployment insurance your can't be removed even if offered you job back. In fact, you will earn more on unemployment thanks to emergency stipends than you will returning to work.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Human sacrifice.

Disgusting wording. How many lives are shortened by having worse economies? Quite a large number. Look at the increase in average life span compared with 100, 200 years ago.

Every action has consequences, whether you recognize them and acknowledge them or not.

Suicides for job loss is at around 50,000 people a year.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe



Gee, just last week the Govt said unemployment would peak at 27 million, when we were at 26 million unemployed.

It is exceptionally hard to see the economy rebounding.

We all tend to forget that if businesses that had layoffs reopen soon, they will need those same workers back. I think a lot of this is service industry. So it's imperative we get through the hump of the last part of this curve and figure out how to safely open.

warspite1

I'm afraid I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as that. For one thing we are not going back to 'normal' anytime soon. The obvious examples are travel firms, airlines, hotels etc. It's not just one's own country that needs to be out of lock down, it's the destination country too. But who is going to be brave enough to book a holiday without knowing their insurance will pay out? Added to which of course, many people - certainly those most at risk - will still be wary of going out to restaurants, cinemas etc etc. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is going to be one slow emergence from a gigantic mess - and that assumes no second wave adding fuel to the fire.

I will go out to eat, not a problem for me. But think of the cost of reopening and having to purchase fresh food. If the business reopen then the restaurants will reopen to serve them if nobody else.

Some areas probably will reopen after finally warming up and outdoor recreation is possible again. Wisconsin usually goes nuts for the opening of their game fishing season. In November, parts of the state shut down for a long week with a lot fewer students in school while people try to bring home some venison.

The cinema? I don't care for most of the new movies anyway. But younger people will probably go to the movies.

Vacation? I can't afford one anyway. But some people will take them.

The hospitals need to reopen for their "elective" surgeries and such. That will also bring people back to work.

The lawyers, especially the divorce lawyers, are probably aching to reopen . . .

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Human sacrifice.

Disgusting wording. How many lives are shortened by having worse economies? Quite a large number. Look at the increase in average life span compared with 100, 200 years ago.

Every action has consequences, whether you recognize them and acknowledge them or not.

Suicides for job loss is at around 50,000 people a year.

I have read articles in that magazine. I liked most of them but there is an extremely liberal bias and sometimes it seems intolerant. But that is just my opinion.

[Canoerebel]

When Eisenhower made the decision on June 5, 1944, to proceed with Overlord on the 6th, he did so against the recommendations of some of his subordinates. I recall that the head of the airborne troops came to him with an estimate of 70% mortality. A few others cautioned against going in stormy weather, etc. Many others supported his decision as the best possible, given all considerations.

Imagine if D-Day had gone bad. All the books that would've been written about "how I advised Eisenhower to postpone the invasion." All the second-guessing and recriminations.

And that was in a time when the media supported the war effort. Even so, news was censored to prevent demoralizing reports like the German E-boat attack during a D-Day training exercise.

It's much harder to lead today if you have the press against you (and much easier if it's with you). The media is no longer a watchdog, it's an attack dog. It's chosen sides and holds nothing back in fighting with every means at its disposal.

Leadership is tough. They're going to take the blame (at least, those on one side will). Leadership is even more difficult when the so-called mainstream press is accusing you of engaging in human sacrifice and the like.

Eisenhower knew the weight of leadership. He penned a "mission failed" message on June 5, just in case.

[warspite1]

But that is just life. There will always be the "I told you so" brigade waiting in the wings if things go tits up. Always was, is now and always will be.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Initial data suggests the disease has had a disproportionate impact on communities of colour. In New York, black and Latino people are twice as likely to die as white people. At One Brooklyn, the group has seen a high rate of hospitalisation among its coronavirus-positive patients. “Our community has been very significantly affected,” says Brown. “There is a reality that many of the hospitals that serve low-income communities of colour have the least amount of resources . . . Any public health crisis will uncover inequalities.”

Oh Sweet Baby Jesus! Here it comes. COVID-19 is a racist. America is racist. Healthcare funding is racist. The virus STARTED in an Asian country. In Wuhan 99.9% of the victims were "coloured". It smashed into Queens. Guess who lives in Queens.

That is insufferably ignorant.

This is an article based on the struggles the US health care system is facing and how that may impact communities. I am American by birth. I understand our history and system. Institutional racism has been a part of The United States for much of it's history, and the legacy of that is still evident.

There are differing levels of accessibility to health care for different economic strata of American culture and black and brown Americans happen to more often, by the data, be in the lower brackets, with less access to the best health care.

These are just objective comments supported by data and not a knock on America. As this article states, this is a chance to re-evaluate how health care works in America and see if improvements can be made to keep hospitals financially stable and get care to the most vulnerable. Now more than ever, since we all depend on everyone being healthy.

[Canoerebel]

From a Georgia standpoint, where we're engaging in "human sacrifice" experiments, things remain basically the same.

A few things have re-opened - not many.

People are continuing to observe social distancing. To my knowledge, no movie theaters have reopened. Very few restaurants (less than 10%). A few salons. A heavy emphasis on protecting the elderly (assisted living). Of course, big gatherings still discouraged by mandate and by voluntary actions. Few churches meeting, etc.

Things are relaxing a bit, but not very much.

In my community of 100k, new cases flattened about 10 days ago and remain that way. Deaths too. Ditto surrounding counties, which are mostly rural or small town. Walker County, where Obvert posted a note (from NY Times, about four or five days back) that cases were doubling every 2.5 days...has seen an increase from 58 to 60 over the past four or five days. The easing of countermeasures in places like that are sensible and proportionate. Risk is low. Medical capacity is high. And the allegations of "human sacrifice" and the like are flung about recklessly.

[Lowpe]

yellow journalism

[warspite1]

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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe




Gee, just last week the Govt said unemployment would peak at 27 million, when we were at 26 million unemployed.

It is exceptionally hard to see the economy rebounding.

We all tend to forget that if businesses that had layoffs reopen soon, they will need those same workers back. I think a lot of this is service industry. So it's imperative we get through the hump of the last part of this curve and figure out how to safely open.

warspite1

I'm afraid I don't think it's anywhere near as simple as that. For one thing we are not going back to 'normal' anytime soon. The obvious examples are travel firms, airlines, hotels etc. It's not just one's own country that needs to be out of lock down, it's the destination country too. But who is going to be brave enough to book a holiday without knowing their insurance will pay out? Added to which of course, many people - certainly those most at risk - will still be wary of going out to restaurants, cinemas etc etc. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is going to be one slow emergence from a gigantic mess - and that assumes no second wave adding fuel to the fire.

warspite1

...and as a perfect example of what I've just outlined. A news article suggests the Spanish tourism business can't afford to re-open without the British tourists it relies so much on..... and as said, who is going to book a holiday to Spain not knowing whether they can get insurance for it? This is not simple and people aren't simply going to be re-hired in their old jobs.

Just look at the closures of retail names - Oasis, Debenhams, Warehouse - even John Lewis say they will never re-open some of their stores. Those jobs have gone.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Initial data suggests the disease has had a disproportionate impact on communities of colour. In New York, black and Latino people are twice as likely to die as white people. At One Brooklyn, the group has seen a high rate of hospitalisation among its coronavirus-positive patients. “Our community has been very significantly affected,” says Brown. “There is a reality that many of the hospitals that serve low-income communities of colour have the least amount of resources . . . Any public health crisis will uncover inequalities.”

Oh Sweet Baby Jesus! Here it comes. COVID-19 is a racist. America is racist. Healthcare funding is racist. The virus STARTED in an Asian country. In Wuhan 99.9% of the victims were "coloured". It smashed into Queens. Guess who lives in Queens.

That is insufferably ignorant.

This is an article based on the struggles the US health care system is facing and how that may impact communities. I am American by birth. I understand our history and system. Institutional racism has been a part of The United States for much of it's history, and the legacy of that is still evident.

There are differing levels of accessibility to health care for different economic strata of American culture and black and brown Americans happen to more often, by the data, be in the lower brackets, with less access to the best health care.

These are just objective comments supported by data and not a knock on America. As this article states, this is a chance to re-evaluate how health care works in America and see if improvements can be made to keep hospitals financially stable and get care to the most vulnerable. Now more than ever, since we all depend on everyone being healthy.

Is it your thesis that "access to care" is why Americans are dead from COVID? That's absurd. You have a fever with shortness of breath. You go to an ER. You get seen. You need an ICU bed? You get one. You need a vent? You get one. It's an acute infectious illness, man.

"Institutional racism" then? Exactly which "institution" would that be? Bellview Hospital? NYFD? NIH? CDC? FEMA? Fauci? De Blasio? Cuomo? Trump? What institution or individual on this list has denied care based on race?

Is there a disproportionate impact on "people of color" (whatever that means) based on the demographic percentages in the US population? Perhaps, but that does not prove "racism". Like I said it could simply be geographic place or residence. Or population density? Or obesity? Or age? Hypertension?

There is no "opportunity to examine" here. It's an opportunity to attack. It's an agenda piece start to finish. It's the same hackneyed shit all the time. As for slavery? I was not around. It was morally wrong but my opinion was not sought.

[RangerJoe]

A Christmas taxi with the mobile bed (an ambulance) just showed up here. Two women got out, one wearing a mask the other was not. The driver (a man) came around the back to where I could see him. He was wearing a mask. Maybe something was said because the nonmask wearer, got one out of the ambulance and put it on. They went to the building No lights or sirens, no one seeming to hurry either.

Bother women came back, no masks on, the man was still wearing one and they got back into the vehicle.