OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

VIRUS PANIC Coronavirus – Cats and dogs ‘thrown from tower blocks’ in China after fake news rumours animals are causing spread

Jan 31 2020, 10:39 ET

https://www.the-sun.com/news/338840/cor ... ng-spread/


"In a bid to put and end to the false claims, China Global Television Network posted a quote from the World Health Organisation.

It read: "There is no evidence showing that pets such as cats and dogs can contract the novel coronavirus, the World Health Organisation said on Wednesday.""

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What was said about dogs and cats months later?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

Isn't the fact that you know about that due to journalism reporting it? You're making the case yourself.

Not true, I have to hunt to find this reporting. Plus there are random acts of journalism being committed. Two that come to mind are Atkinson (lost her job because of it) and Herridge currently. Certainly the rise of the Drudge Report was accomplished by breaking stories that the media wouldn't run.

[Lowpe]

Covid-19: In Cameroon, chloroquine therapy hailed by French expert becomes state protocol


https://www.france24.com/en/20200503-co ... e-protocol

[mind_messing]

As a non-American, sources would be helpful for context.

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

That's an issue...how exactly? Content is timed for maximum traction and relevance all across the world. Doesn't seem in the same league as the others.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

DAN BLATHER, editor-in-chief of CBS News was FIRED for making up a story on Bush 43 because he had a grudge against Bush 41 (among other things).

He was undone because the fake document used a print font not even invented when the letter was supposed to be written. [:D][:D] Then, when he is ordered to retract he goes on air and says "CBS News is unable to confirm the accuracy of this letter" [:D]

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

NBC shelved stories on Weinstein because he was a Clinton donor.

CNN anchors literally cried on air when Trump won. [:D][:D]

CNN literally conspired with the Obama DNI to give a briefing to Trump on the Pee Dossier so they could run with the story (which everyone knew was Russian gossip)

MSNBC??? What can you say? [:D][:D]

The Editor of the NYT wrote an opinion piece to HIS OWN STAFF after 2106 asking them to be more "balanced". [:D] Like he asleep the whole time?

BTW, the Washington Press Corps KNEW that JFK had a full-time procurer of young females

One of my favorites is when they attached explosives to a pickup truck to make a simple rear end explosion look bad. Was that 60 minutes?

Ooops, I guess it was all of the networks doing it. My bad.

http://walterolson.com/articles/crashtests.html

It Didn't Start With Dateline NBC
By Walter Olson
National Review, June 21, 1993
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An "electronic Titanic"--as Howard Rosenberg of the Los Angeles Times called it---"an unprecedented disaster in the annals of network news, and perhaps the biggest TV scam since the Quiz Scandals." To many, NBC's Dateline fiasco seemed a freak, a bizarre departure from accepted network standards. Would any half-awake news organization have helped stage a crash test that was rigged to get a particular outcome? Or concealed from the public key elements--the hidden rockets, the over-filled tank, the loose gas cap? Or entrusted its judgment to axe-grinding "experts" who were deeply involved in litigating against the expose's target? Or, after questions came up, refused to apologize no matter how strong the evidence grew?

NBC was a latecomer to the safety-expose game, and had come under cost-cutting pressure. Maybe it lacked the high-minded public spirit and adequate research budget that was said to typify perennial Emmy-bait series like 60 Minutes (CBS) and 20/20 (ABC). And indeed, both CBS and ABC put out word that "their standards forbid the sort of staging that got NBC into trouble," to quote a second L.A. Times reporter.

If you think so, read on. An investigation of past network auto-safety coverage reveals that both CBS and ABC have run the same sorts of grossly misleading crash videos and simulations, withheld the same sorts of material facts about the tests, and relied on the same dubious experts with the same ties to the plaintiffs bar. In at least one documented case -- another is rumored--viewers were shown a crash fire and explosion without being told it had been started by an incendiary device. Dateline committed many journalistic sins. But not least was that it couldn't even manage to be original.

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Coronavirus attacks Saudi Arabia

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Perception is reality. What is perceived to be real, is real.

Really? Whose perception?

Is there no objectivity at all? Are you discounting the scientific method as well as journalism?

"Perceived to be real" by who? Everyone? Or you? Or a scientist? Or a priest? Or a politician?

When supposed neutral journalists are crying because of election results, they are not neutral.

When their reports are slanted, when there is not a good investigative side that questions what certain people/organizations state, when records are falsified and reported as fact, when the information that is obtained does not meet their personal beliefs the message and the messengers are attack, there is a problem. When people keep seeing it, they learn to distrust the medium that those things ccme from.

I would argue some of your statements are correct, but you supply no individual evidence and this could apply to journalism that is from any end of the opinion or political spectrum.

So what you're saying is that we need more objective information, evidence and transparency? Is that right?

This seems to contradict your initial statement about perception.

It is like an engineer doing a science show as an expert. While there s some science background, an engineer is not a scientist.

Interesting that you bring in science here. An engineer does need to know some science, actually. But what kind of engineer? Electrical, software, industrial physical?

Any of those could qualify as an expert for different aspects of science related to their fields. Physics comes to mind immediately. Electromagnetism. Geology. I could go on ...

pm storage is full.

So I guess that you don't want any of my pms.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

As a non-American, sources would be helpful for context.

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

That's an issue...how exactly? Content is timed for maximum traction and relevance all across the world. Doesn't seem in the same league as the others.

They thought the had a career-ender and they waited until the primaries were essentially over. [:)] News organization wait till prime time to reveal a gigantic story...not 15 months.[:)]

[MakeeLearn]

Mysterious coronavirus condition ‘happy hypoxia’ baffles doctors
May 4, 2020

https://nypost.com/2020/05/04/mysteriou ... s-doctors/



"A strange phenomenon dubbed “happy hypoxia” has baffled doctors treating coronavirus patients who describe themselves as comfortable despite dangerously low oxygen levels that would typically leave them unconscious, or even dead, according to reports.

The mysterious condition that appears to defy basic biology is raising questions about how COVID-19 attacks the lungs, the Guardian reported.

While a healthy person’s blood-oxygen saturation is at least 95 percent, doctors have reported some coronavirus-stricken patients with levels in the 80s or 70s — with some extreme cases below 50 percent, according to the outlet.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus patients could be cash cows for nursing homes
May 3, 2020


https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... al-profits



"Patients with COVID-19 could be worth more than four times what homes are able to charge for long-term residents with relatively mild health issues.

Some patient advocates and industry experts fear the premium pay available for coronavirus patients — and a simultaneous easing of regulations around transfers — could tempt some home operators to move out low-paying residents to bring in more lucrative COVID-19 patients, despite the obvious health risks to residents and staff."

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus Updates: U.S. Could See 'Persistent Spread' of COVID-19 Through Summer, Former FDA Chief Says
20 hours ago

https://weather.com/health/coronavirus/ ... distancing


"“We’re looking at the prospect that this may be a persistent spread,” he said, with a steady stream through the summer of 20,000 to 30,000 new cases a day that result in 1,000 deaths a day."


"And then you can see this slow simmer explode into a new epidemic or large outbreaks."

[MakeeLearn]

The latest coronavirus antibody test is a lot more accurate
May 3, 2020

https://qz.com/1850518/roches-new-coron ... -accurate/

"Roche announced that its test is 100% accurate at detecting coronavirus antibodies and 99.8% accurate at ruling out the presence of those antibodies, meaning only one in 500 tests will get a false positive. Antibody tests use blood samples to assess whether a person had been previously infected, so they’re useful to determine the true spread of coronavirus. "

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[MakeeLearn]

China Warns Of Possible Armed Conflict With US Over Coronavirus Backlash
Mon, 05/04/2020

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chine ... s-backlash


"An internal report presented to Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top leaders concludes that global anti-China sentiment is at a level not seen since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and recommends preparing for a worst-case scenario of armed conflict with the United States, according to Reuters, citing people familiar with the content of the document."


"And while the world focuses on China's response to the virus, Australia - where two scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted coronavirus experiments overseas - has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of COVID-19, while the so-called 'five eyes' Western intelligence agencies explore whether coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab - while operating under the assumption that it's a non-modified virus of natural origin."

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

China Warns Of Possible Armed Conflict With US Over Coronavirus Backlash
Mon, 05/04/2020

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chine ... s-backlash


"An internal report presented to Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top leaders concludes that global anti-China sentiment is at a level not seen since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and recommends preparing for a worst-case scenario of armed conflict with the United States, according to Reuters, citing people familiar with the content of the document."


"And while the world focuses on China's response to the virus, Australia - where two scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted coronavirus experiments overseas - has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of COVID-19, while the so-called 'five eyes' Western intelligence agencies explore whether coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab - while operating under the assumption that it's a non-modified virus of natural origin."

Maybe the CCP is getting scared.

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Correct Coronavirus NUMBERS will never be known and will be "area fire". Results may give a better picture than numbers.
After a surge in Annual Death Averages the number may drop due to people who died months earlier due to CoVid19.

This repost of a letter written to CDC from

Kenneth Stoller
International Hyperbaric Medical Association

show how "US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading."


https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-infl ... ection-rfc

Very interesting read. Again, profit seems an important factor in how medical decisions are made.

At the 2004 "National Influenza Vaccine Summit," co-sponsored by CDC and the American Medical Association, Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at the NIP, spoke on using the media to boost demand for the vaccine. One step of a "Seven-Step `Recipe' for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) Vaccination" occurs when "medical experts and public health authorities publicly...state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)—and urge influenza vaccination" (www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/36/ ... _nowak.pdf).

Another step entails "continued reports...that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people, helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza." Preceding the summit, demand had been low early into the 2003 flu season. "At that point, the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine for use in November or even December," recalled Dr Nowak on National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot."

If flu is in fact not a major cause of death, this public relations approach is surely exaggerated. Moreover, by arbitrarily linking flu with pneumonia, current data are statistically biased. Until corrected and until unbiased statistics are developed, the chances for sound discussion and public health policy are limited.

I am a pediatrician and this propaganda affects my practice directly.

Kenneth Stoller
International Hyperbaric Medical Association

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by June


14 mins ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB13zfhE

"As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now."

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

DAN BLATHER, editor-in-chief of CBS News was FIRED for making up a story on Bush 43 because he had a grudge against Bush 41 (among other things).

He was undone because the fake document used a print font not even invented when the letter was supposed to be written. [:D][:D] Then, when he is ordered to retract he goes on air and says "CBS News is unable to confirm the accuracy of this letter" [:D]

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

NBC shelved stories on Weinstein because he was a Clinton donor.

CNN anchors literally cried on air when Trump won. [:D][:D]

CNN literally conspired with the Obama DNI to give a briefing to Trump on the Pee Dossier so they could run with the story (which everyone knew was Russian gossip)

MSNBC??? What can you say? [:D][:D]

The Editor of the NYT wrote an opinion piece to HIS OWN STAFF after 2106 asking them to be more "balanced". [:D] Like he asleep the whole time?

BTW, the Washington Press Corps KNEW that JFK had a full-time procurer of young females

While the threats to global media freedom are real and concerning in their own right, their impact on the state of democracy is what makes them truly dangerous.


https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom ... ard-spiral

The fundamental right to seek and disseminate information through an independent press is under attack, and part of the assault has come from an unexpected source. Elected leaders in many democracies, who should be press freedom’s staunchest defenders, have made explicit attempts to silence critical media voices and strengthen outlets that serve up favorable coverage. The trend is linked to a global decline in democracy itself: The erosion of press freedom is both a symptom of and a contributor to the breakdown of other democratic institutions and principles, a fact that makes it especially alarming.

According to Freedom House’s Freedom in the World data, media freedom has been deteriorating around the world over the past decade, with new forms of repression taking hold in open societies and authoritarian states alike. The trend is most acute in Europe, previously a bastion of well-established freedoms, and in Eurasia and the Middle East, where many of the world’s worst dictatorships are concentrated. If democratic powers cease to support media independence at home and impose no consequences for its restriction abroad, the free press corps could be in danger of virtual extinction.

It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years? [:D]

The piece about the NY Times in 2016 is actually quite telling. To me that says there is a real intent on the part of the best journalism to self-regulate and call out non-objective reporting. Good on him. Takes courage to do that. Thanks for mentioning.

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Costco Limiting How Much Meat You Can Buy As Food Shortage Looms
3 hrs ago



https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/ ... li=BBnbfcL



"Growing concern over a looming meat shortage is having real-world consequences as two major grocery chains are instituting a limit on the amount that customers can purchase. National retail giant Costco recently announced a quota on how much fresh meat each shopper can by and several Kroger supermarkets locations have instituted a similar policy."


" The United States has got to have a food supply we can depend on for national security. If people don't have food, we're going to have riots."

This is why we will likely be seeing less beef, pork, and chicken in our local grocers' meat case and why the rationing of meat will likely extend to other grocery chains as well."

[Lowpe]

New York City Health Department report on mortality...

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloa ... 017sum.pdf

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years? [:D]

You can go a lot further back than 60 years to report on fraudulent news in the US. "Where we have one newspaper that does good, I think we have fifty that do harm." Mark Twain.

Read Bias, or any number of other books on press accuracy and it has only gotten worse since he wrote it in 2001.

https://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exp ... 0060520841