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RE: Putins War The Bodo Express, 2022 Play Test Version #4 4/30

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Play test Version 4.0, tweaked it a bit more
Though I was able to get a hit on one of the russian RKR ships before version3 with a well coordinated rk penguin, slammers, and tomahawks, all arriving at about the same time, but 1 single hit after blowing nearly my entire load told me they'd have to be taken out with subs. I figured my planned paveways runs for 'round two' along with another small round of slammers would probably end up the same way but have not gotten to that point yet. I think even with the b1 additions it'll still be rough unless timed just right (but it will save some time), but having an extra Virginia and Suffren around (particularly that they spawn farther north) should help provide a more timely alternative approach. Then again it's supposed to be a challenge right. ;)

Yes it is, and the Russian have this equipment. This this one is a tough nut, but wait until you see the Baltic States Scenario! I kind, sorta, knew the build up in Kaliningrad, but the Area Denial weapons in there now is incredible!!!!!!

Now remember your job is to shepherd the Amphs to Bodo. Consider just keeping them busy enough to allow the amphibs to unload, So a lot depends upon where that SAG teleports too.
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Play test Version 4.0, tweaked it a bit more

Yes it is, and the Russian have this equipment. This this one is a tough nut, but wait until you see the Baltic States Scenario! I kind, sorta, knew the build up in Kaliningrad, but the Area Denial weapons in there now is incredible!!!!!!

Now remember your job is to shepherd the Amphs to Bodo. Consider just keeping them busy enough to allow the amphibs to unload, So a lot depends upon where that SAG teleports too.

Yup. I mean in my case the SAG was far enough away (I think I got lucky roll of dice all around) that so long as I kept destroying the russian maritime aircraft coming to try and find the TF's ships, then they wouldn't have anything to fire those long range missiles at and were not a threat, at least till\when\if some russian subs find the TF groups. I was more going after them cause I spotted them early and to see if I could. Yeah I imagine dealing with Kaliningrad is going to be nightmare.
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Yup. I mean in my case the SAG was far enough away (I think I got lucky roll of dice all around) that so long as I kept destroying the russian maritime aircraft coming to try and find the TF's ships, then they wouldn't have anything to fire those long range missiles at and were not a threat, at least till\when\if some russian subs find the TF groups. I was more going after them cause I spotted them early and to see if I could. Yeah I imagine dealing with Kaliningrad is going to be nightmare.

Alert: Spoiler below...

Threw the SAG in there for two reasons...

1. Given the circumstances I truly believe the Russians would send it out. Their northern flank is in jeopardy, so they would throw everything they had into it.
2. It is a bight shiny object which draws players attention, especially away from the subs, which the Oscar IIs are more than enough to crush NATOs possibility of victory.
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oh darn.... ill start over....

there two versions 2020 Mission.secn & 2020.scen....is there a difference... im gonna use 2020.scene
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there two versions 2020 Mission.secn & 2020.scen....is there a difference... im gonna use 2020.scene

So, yeah, I just threw the "Missions" file in there this time. So what I do when a scenario is close to completion, and goes both ways (as this does), save have a version for everyone that disables the A/Is missions for the human player, but I keep a version without them disabled for myself as I hate setting up the same missions over and over and over, like Groundhogs Day, for play testing. So I just added that file this time. Sorry for the confusion.

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Russian Set up for the Initiation of Putins War in the Baltics! Right now "Putins War, The Baltic Tsunami, 2020" The Russian area denial capability from Kaliningrad and the Russian Western Military District is just incredible. IMHO the Baltic States are totally indefensible. Any NATO air unit flying over that territory, or trying to reinforce them, is just going to be blown out of the sky! NATO better have some serious SEAD capability there!

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Well I started this late last night and I’m playing a little right now… Everything seems to be going well at the beginning here… The only comment I can make is that the NATO surface group seem to be under escorted ...... and it is kind of aggravating that they’ve been at war for three weeks and there are almost no ready aircraft when I try to play this thing .... for blue there really aren’t very many strike and fighter aircraft at all ....
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This Baltic scenario for blue does look terrifying .....
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Bodo Express the Sam plt humraam's in the north on Nato's side, these seem to never fire at anything in there attack profile, because the base unit(s) are lacking the required mpq-64 radar. I added it in (vehicle mount 885 or 2351) and they started working, were they just supposed to be cannon fodder or was that an oversight?
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Bodo Express the Sam plt humraam's in the north on Nato's side, these seem to never fire at anything in there attack profile, because the base unit(s) are lacking the required mpq-64 radar. I added it in (vehicle mount 885 or 2351) and they started working, were they just supposed to be cannon fodder or was that an oversight?

Oversight! Thank You! I added an AN/TPS-80 Ground/Air Task Oriented Radar Unit number #2249. Not sure why that new USMC air defense radar wouldn't control the HUMRAAMs? The only MPQ-64 I could find was mount #293.

One way or the other I will fix. TY!
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This Baltic scenario for blue does look terrifying .....

It gets much worse! I just added the Belarus S-300s last night. Not doing this to pile on, it's just what's out there. I couldn't ascertain if Belarus had S-400s or not, some reports say yes, they were given 2 Bns and some say, Russia wanted them to buy them and Minsk balked. So I just gave them the two S-300 Bns we know about. Now when I add the Buks along the Belarus-Polish border, Oy Vey! [X(]

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The only comment I can make is that the NATO surface group seem to be under escorted ...... and it is kind of aggravating that they’ve been at war for three weeks and there are almost no ready aircraft when I try to play this thing .... for blue there really aren’t very many strike and fighter aircraft at all ...

So a couple of points on this as to why and where this can go...

1. I did remove most of the Tomahawks on the three Burkes and load them out as Air Defense Vessels. Between the three of them there are only 24 Tomahawks, they are SAM heavy.
2. Two complaints I get about my scenarios are TOO many units and you chose the load outs for me. So as much as possible I try to set things up so the player has the opportunity to choose their own load outs for anything under six (6) hours and only provide missions as necessary (AAW-CAP, Helio ASW if in a hot environment). Can't seem to win here, one person says we've been at war for three weeks, why aren't the load outs and CAP set for me? and the other says, you loaded out AMRAAMS and I wanted Sidewinders on my, (place your favorite aircraft here).
3. Given the fighting on NATOs Front in the Baltics, Kaliningrad and Poland, yeah, just about every strike fighter/Multirole NATO has is going there! It's pretty much the Norwegian, Sweds and Finns on their own. BTW I actually resurrected Swedish and Finnish aircraft/radars that would have been destroyed in the opening scenario (Midnight Sun). I'm still thinking about cutting them back as they just would have been destroyed and un-salvageable after three weeks on the front lines against Russia.

So vessels, I just did what I did to alleviate the arguments that there were too many NATO vessels in Arctic Tsunami, I have no issues adding more escorts OR an additional NATO SAG. Give me some ideas what you would like to see? I'm thinking a mixed group, like the Standing NATO Maritime Group One (SNMG1) so it's not all USN! Was going to task that group to the Baltic, but something along those lines????

Back on my soap box of game scenario vs. simulation. While I try to balance the scenarios as much as possible I do also tend heavily toward simulation and no commander ever has everything they want. So trying to keep it in the larger picture of the war and world situation and also try to balance a scenario. That's why the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov is not present, with the loss of the dry dock PD-50 and December fire, IMHO, she is done.
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Well I certainly agree that I prefer command as a simulation first in the game second… Because I can learn more that way… Which is meaningful to me especially as I am a lay person and a non-professional .....

I minimize the problem of a shortage of plausible escorts .... by combining the 2 ARG’s... with the two Burks in front... I move that group closer to the QE group which is slightly leading to the seaward side .... so now I have very good AAW coverage with both long and short range shooters.....
The only thing lacking would be an ASW frigate trailing to protect the rear .... so I added one LCS ... that I have trailing independently of the groups and I can maneuver him around ....

I did arrange the three subs heading for patrol about 90 nautical miles out front to do a sweep in front of the two groups heading towards Bodo... with the ASW helicopter patrols in front of the groups I am comfortably well covered ....

I am micro managing my air combat assets to focus on red recon and potential strikers ......

So though it’s early in the game for me I feel pretty comfortable unless I get totally overwhelmed by Russian AirPower ....
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I tried out the Russian side and I think I did OK.
A few notes:
- the S-300 at Banak is behind a mountain so it can't see anything, I had to make it move to a hilltop and then it massacred all the F-16s (so much so that it ran out of missiles)
- it makes no sense to not have the MPAs under my control. They run into NATO CAP because they don't synchronize with my planes, and spend their time a low altitude, reducing their radar and EcM range when I am supposed to be looking for enemy ships.
- The Oscar III is a monster, it sunk almost the entire Queen Elisabeth group by itself, including the carrier
- The other Oscar sank the other battlegroup
- The F-35 CAPs over the sea are a nightmare, I kept trying to get at the AWACS and MPAs only to have my Mig-31 get shot down most of the time.
- The LRASM is a nightmare too, the attack emptied my SAM supplies in the SAG and sunk only one ship. I think I was lucky.
- I think I managed to neutralize the ground-based F-35 up North by going after the ammo with a kh-555 strike
- I did not get any popup message.

SIDE: NATO
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LOSSES:
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11x F-16BM Falcon MLU
8x F-35A Lightning II
3x P-3C Orion Update III
2x Nimrod MRA.4
2x Poseidon MRA.1
3x Ammo Revetment
4x MH-60R Seahawk
1x DDG 116 Thomas Hudner [Arleigh Burke Flight IIA Technology Insertion]
22x Lightning II [F-35B]
11x Merlin HM.2
4x Merlin ASaC.5 [Crowsnest]
1x R 08 Queen Elizabeth
1x F 236 Montrose [Type 23 Duke]
1x D 35 Dragon [Type 45 Batch 2]
1x Radar (Coastal ACSR)
1x Radar (S-244 HF)
1x Radar (AN/FPS-6A HF)
1x Airbus A.330-200 MRTT [MFF]
3x Radar (AN/FPS-117(V)5 Relocatable)
3x NASAMS II
1x P-8A Poseidon
1x A 136 Tidespring [MARS Tide class]
12x LCAC 1
2x LSD 41 Whidbey Island
12x CH-53K King Stallion
1x LCU 1646
2x LPD 17 San Antonio
1x T-AK 3008 2nd Lt John P. Bobo
8x LCVP
1x LCM-8
2x LCP
36x MV-22B Osprey
8x AH-1Z Viper [Super Cobra]
8x F-35B Lightning II
2x LHD 2 Essex [Wasp]
1x DDG 103 Truxtun [Arleigh Burke Flight IIA]
1x MH-60R Seahawk
1x T-EPF 1 Spearhead
1x S 6XX Suffren [Barracuda]


EXPENDITURES:
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90x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
84x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
43x SSQ-963D CAMBS VI
24x 370 USG Drop Tank
67x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
4x F21 Artemis
43x SSQ-926 ALFEA
72x SSQ-955 HIDAR DIFAR
9x 25mm GAU-22/A Equalizer Burst [30 rnds]
15x SSQ-981B [SSQ-801B Barra]
53x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
73x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3
4x AIM-120B AMRAAM
12x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
5x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
3x Stingray Mod 0
48x AGM-158C LRASM
59x MIM-120B NASAMS [AMRAAM]
7x AIM-132A ASRAAM
12x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
150x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]
40x Mk234 Nulka
12x Mk59 Mod 0 Floating Decoy
18x Mk251 Siren Active Decoy Round
2x DLF(3) Advanced Inflatable Decoy
4x FDS-3 Floating Decoy
8x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
6x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA
7x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
2x AN/ALE-70 FOTD
4x 20mm/100 Mk15 Phalanx Blk 1B Burst [300 rnds]
4x AN/SLQ-49 Rubber Duck
8x RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Dual I
14x RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Blk IA
3x Stingray Mod 1



SIDE: Russia
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LOSSES:
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1x PL-877M Kilo
1x Radar (Tin Shield B [5N59S/36D6])
1x Radar (Tall Rack [55Zh6-1 Nebo UYe])
4x Su-27SM/SM3 Flanker B
3x Ka-27PL Helix A
6x MiG-31BM Foxhound
1x PLA-945A Sierra II [Kondor]
1x BPK Udaloy II [PR.1155.1 Fregat-M]
1x Il-78M Midas
5x MiG-29K Fulcrum D
1x A-50U Mainstay A
1x PLARK-949AM Oscar III [Antey]


EXPENDITURES:
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88x SA-21b Growler [40N6]
112x RGB-NM-1 [Passive Omni]
96x SA-N-20b Gargoyle [48N6M]
2x TEST-71M [NATO TEST-83]
2x Generic Acoustic Decoy
5x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
42x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
264x 5P-42 Filin laser-dazzler
19x AA-9 Amos [R-33S, SARH]
72x AS-15 Kent C [Kh-555]
32x SA-N-21d Growler [9M96D]
9x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
3x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30K Burst [375 rnds]
18x SA-N-6a Grumble [5R55RM]
4x SA-N-11a Grisom [9M311K]
18x PK-10 Chaff [SR-50]
18x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]
3x PK-2 Chaff [TSP-47]
18x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
8x AA-12 Adder B [R-77-1, RVV-SD]
72x SS-N-26 Strobile [P-800 Onyx]
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
32x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
29x SS-N-19 Shipwreck [P-700 Granit]
4x AA-11 Archer [R-73M]
9x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
6x AA-10 Alamo D [R-27ET, LR IR]
4x AA-10 Alamo B [R-27T, MR IR]
1x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR TSARH]
1x SA-17 Grizzly [9M317M]
1x SS-N-15 Starfish [RPK-6 Vodopad, UMGT-1 Torpedo]
9x SS-N-12 Sandbox Mod 2 [P-1000]
2x SS-N-16 Stallion ["RPK-7 Veter, UMGT-1 Torpedo]



SIDE: Sweden
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LOSSES:
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1x Radar (PS-860 [SPS-48C])


EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Finland
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LOSSES:
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20x F/A-18D Hornet [F-18D]
1x AvGas (200k Liter Underground Tank)


EXPENDITURES:
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49x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
28x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3
2x AIM-9X Sidewinder



SIDE: Russia MPA
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LOSSES:
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6x Tu-142MZ Bear F Mod 4
6x Il-38N May


EXPENDITURES:
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122x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
13x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
33x RGB-55A [Track, Active/Passive]
46x RGB-41 [Search, Passive Omni]
24x RGB-48 [Search, Passive Directional]
20x RGB-25 [Track, Passive Directional]
88x RGB-15 [Refined Search, Passive Omni]
22x RGB-58 [Track, Active/Passive]
4x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]



SIDE: Biologics
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LOSSES:
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1x Biologic Whale


EXPENDITURES:
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geezzz.... NATO got slaughtered.......
part of the reason is the 3 nato surface groups are spread out to far to offer mutual support.. and the 2 ARGs are under escorted.... so playing blue i combined the 2 ARGs in one group and moved them close to the QE group...

im still playing blue... and i rearranged a couple of things but not much.... i really like this scenario a lot...
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geezzz.... NATO got slaughtered.......
part of the reason is the 3 nato surface groups are spread out to far to offer mutual support.. and the 2 ARGs are under escorted.... so playing blue i combined the 2 ARGs in one group and moved them close to the QE group...

im still playing blue... and i rearranged a couple of things but not much.... i really like this scenario a lot...

Thinking about adding another NATO SAG, maybe NE of Iceland for the seaward flank or more likely just north of the ARGs that could give them more cover.
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geezzz.... NATO got slaughtered.......
part of the reason is the 3 nato surface groups are spread out to far to offer mutual support.. and the 2 ARGs are under escorted.... so playing blue i combined the 2 ARGs in one group and moved them close to the QE group...

im still playing blue... and i rearranged a couple of things but not much.... i really like this scenario a lot...

Thinking about adding another NATO SAG, maybe NE of Iceland for the seaward flank or more likely just north of the ARGs that could give them more cover.
Idk that might be overkill no? I mean in version two I wiped the russian fleet entirely in a second wave of using a dozen f-35's from the tf's with paveway4's, along with the last of the penguins and slammers (I wasn't expecting it to work but not only did it work some of the munitions weren't even needed). Never needed the extra sub and b1's you added in the latter version (though I like those additions), but again maybe I had really good rng on where everything happen to spawn allowing me plenty of time to wipe them off the planet without them ever knowing where my tf groups were, while still handling everything else. It did cost me 2 f-16's, but that's war and a great trade for sinking that SAG. The TF grouping, again maybe I got good rng, cause mine were all started with-in 100nm of each other (except the landing craft), but my strat was much like others eventually bunching them all up for mutual self defense which ultimately I never needed. Guess I should replay it from Russian side now before really forming an opinion on beefing up nato side even more.
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I think this is a great scenario .... I am really enjoying it ....
I’m playing blue and doing well so far I’m 3-4 hours into it .....
In the melee of massive red missile strike.... which took a lot of micromanagement .... when I was mixed up with the Sweds and the Fins.... The fins kept going hostile and then my planes would engage them .... I had to intervene a few times... I think they thought I was shooting at them instead of the red cruise missiles ..... I finally had to turn them on friendly ....
I destroyed the 2 S 400 sites it Banak... and some other stuff up there with a moderate cruise missile site .... because the S 400s were in a bowl so I came up behind them....

I’m doing well with what I have the trick is not letting red locate your surface groups.... as long as I can do that I will whup ass .... but I still have a lot of playtime left ....
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Idk that might be overkill no? I mean in version two I wiped the russian fleet entirely in a second wave of using a dozen f-35's from the tf's with paveway4's, along with the last of the penguins and slammers (I wasn't expecting it to work but not only did it work some of the munitions weren't even needed). Never needed the extra sub and b1's you added in the latter version (though I like those additions), but again maybe I had really good rng on where everything happen to spawn allowing me plenty of time to wipe them off the planet without them ever knowing where my tf groups were, while still handling everything else. It did cost me 2 f-16's, but that's war and a great trade for sinking that SAG. The TF grouping, again maybe I got good rng, cause mine were all started with-in 100nm of each other (except the landing craft), but my strat was much like others eventually bunching them all up for mutual self defense which ultimately I never needed. Guess I should replay it from Russian side now before really forming an opinion on beefing up nato side even more.

Great Thanks for the feedback! That helps! I thinking of replaying it today, but had another short Putins War scenario I'm working on today.
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I think this is a great scenario .... I am really enjoying it ....
I’m playing blue and doing well so far I’m 3-4 hours into it .....
In the melee of massive red missile strike.... which took a lot of micromanagement .... when I was mixed up with the Sweds and the Fins.... The fins kept going hostile and then my planes would engage them .... I had to intervene a few times... I think they thought I was shooting at them instead of the red cruise missiles ..... I finally had to turn them on friendly ....
I destroyed the 2 S 400 sites it Banak... and some other stuff up there with a moderate cruise missile site .... because the S 400s were in a bowl so I came up behind them....

So before I say anything else, thanks for the feedback! Your help is always greatly appreciated [8D]!!!!!
I finally had to turn them on friendly

Yeah, that was an older version. I turned off the Collective Responsibility for everyone now.
which took a lot of micromanagement

Yes it did! take a look in the scenario editor how many independent strike missions that took, I think about 20 just to take care of that strike!!!!!
I destroyed the 2 S 400 sites it Banak... and some other stuff up there with a moderate cruise missile site .... because the S 400s were in a bowl so I came up behind them....

You know I keep hearing people say in the videos, without explaining how in the real world, the SAMs/radars got to the top of the mountain! Yeah, I get a fixed radar site, built over years, being there. I even get a small mobile unit POSSIBLY being there. I would like someone to explain how a Cheese Board Radar unit and S-400 TEL Bn get up there without roads!!!!!! So yes I knew that the location was going to be a limitation near Banak, I also looked over the terrain and roads in that area very closely and determined that is about where the Russians would have to put it. I have held my nose placing MPQ-64 Sentinels and M998 HMMWV Avengers/M1097 Heavy HMMWV Avengers on some steep terrain, along with some Russian BUKs, with an the OK those units MIGHT make it there [8|]. In reality most of this big equipment is IFR, I Follow Roads! So given placement where I believe a radar would never get to, but is more advantageous for the game, OR a location I think a real SAM commander would have to settle for in a combat situation, I'm taking the latter every time! Heck I saw one video with a mobile radar on the sharp ridge of a volcano! A goat would have trouble getting there, let alone a mobile radar! Now I understand it was for a tutorial, but folks have gotten the idea this stuff should be placed where it could never really get to!

Bottom line, real world commanders don't get everything they want, and the winning commander makes the best of the situation.
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."
PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN, 1985

I was Navy, but Assigned TAD to the 24th MAU Hq in Beirut. By far the finest period of my service!
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