OT: Corona virus

[Wuffer]

No need to apologize, CR, please.
It's over a decade now that I follow your adventures and while we would probably disagree on a lot of political issues I am very fine with this, as I have never been in the States and therefore a bit reluctant to spread advise over the pond.
In this context I might add that any supposed 'hate' against the American people is comically exaggerated from our side, not to say borderline propaganda with an obvious aim to divide.

But you get what you pay for, as we are both publishers we know that good, as objective as possible journalism can't be made for free, so it isn't astonishing at all to realize how much free stuff in the Internet is a best clickbait or sometimes driven by a hidden agenda.

Haha, your idea to divide Germany into a system of federal states was great, allthough some folks may argue we had been grow a little bit to fat in the last time

Good luck to everyone,
especially best wishes for everyone with kids - you have my support in this times.

[fcooke]

RJ - I suspect you are joking about the taxes.....

That said. When I lived in the UK my tax return was about 11 pages.....back here it is about an inch and a half of paper.

I was volunteering with the AARP tax prep program before this hit. Lot's of people living on the edge (financially). It always felt good when a person had a decent pension. Really made me smile when a young guy (under 25) came in with docs where he had 401k deductions....someone planning.

So - as an ad - free tax prep from the AARP if you make less than $300k per year.....

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Media Outlets Mislead Readers about COVID-19 Data
By A. G. Hamilton
May 7, 2020

The public overwhelmingly relies on the press to provide them with accurate information and proper context. When it comes to COVID-19, many press outlets are consistently failing to do that. In fact, the reporting on data related to the epidemic has increasingly led to conclusions that aren’t accurate and an audience that is misinformed.

The perfect example was an article from The Hill that told readers Texas was seeing “thousands of new coronavirus cases days after state’s stay-at-home order lifted.” Seems rather obvious that The Hill started with a view that moving into a re-opening phase is a mistake and things are getting worse, and then looked for a way to support that conclusion. This claim managed to mislead readers in two key ways:

(1) Given the incubation period and a lag in testing, new cases that are identified on a certain day are unlikely to have any relationship to policies implemented days earlier.

(2) “New cases” is a very misleading metric because it does not account for increases in testing. The rate of positive tests in Texas has declined significantly.

Mainstream outlets have attempted to tie new cases and deaths to recent re-opening actions in Florida, Georgia, and Texas, despite it being clear that any spike in cases or deaths would not be apparent for weeks after such policy changes. Such actions could lead to a spike in new cases, but trying to tie them to those seen right now is clearly incorrect.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/c ... term=third

Perhaps it's time to turn to something completely different... Fairness Doctrine

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

I'm in an addiction program. We still meet via Zoom and audio.

The programs around here, which usually met at churches, do this too, but there is of course reduced attendance and I feel it can't be as effective over the computer as in person.

Plus now I suspect it is hard to drop into a different group easily.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Pa. had early plan to protect nursing homes from the coronavirus, but never fully implemented it

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2020/0 ... ike-teams/

To put it very politely, that effing response sux the big one. I think that there needs to be a management shake up in Pennsylvania.

lol - let's not just leave it at Pennsylvania. Most of the world leadership could use a good shake. [:D][:D]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

RJ - I suspect you are joking about the taxes.....

That said. When I lived in the UK my tax return was about 11 pages.....back here it is about an inch and a half of paper.

I was volunteering with the AARP tax prep program before this hit. Lot's of people living on the edge (financially). It always felt good when a person had a decent pension. Really made me smile when a young guy (under 25) came in with docs where he had 401k deductions....someone planning.

So - as an ad - free tax prep from the AARP if you make less than $300k per year.....

Maybe I should have stated that I don't bother to pay nor even file income taxes. [8|][8D][:D]

I do pay any sales tax, excise tax, and all of the taxes that the respective business pay. That is because all taxes on businesses are paid by the consumers.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

The 1957 flu that killed one million people

In 1957 a new strain of avian flu emerged in East Asia and quickly spread around the world, killing at least one million people.

Sumi Krishna was nine years old when she caught the virus in India.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-525 ... ion-people

in 1957 you didn't have the same level of communication you have today, where local news anywhere in the world can get world-wide attention. 1957 was just a few years before my time but back then, news outlets were much more responsible.

[Lowpe]

State Ready To Pay Assisted Living Facilities To Take Coronavirus Patients

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/may/06/s ... ronavirus/

California is the state.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Yes, yes! Less emphysema deaths AND we are meeting our Paris Accord goals! Why, it's a Godsend I tell you!


Oh, Sweet, Sweet Gaia, we beseech you. Please use your powers to deliver us from our illegitimate, anti-scientific leaders who were elected by Russian hacking. You know what to do. And bring us love, harmony and economic justice by spreading the wealth around and putting all oil companies and airlines out of business (but leave us our G-5's for the Davos Summit). Amen!

Amen!

[Lowpe]

Funny, in a sad kind of way.

California pol tweets ‘F–k Elon Musk’ after announcement to move Tesla

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/californi ... ove-tesla/

Tesla has 7,000 workers in China with no deaths, at least according to WSJ. Shortage components are believed to be behind a shutdown there.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... se-factory

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

State Ready To Pay Assisted Living Facilities To Take Coronavirus Patients

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/may/06/s ... ronavirus/

California is the state.

Combine that with this:

Elder Advocates: Newsom Close To Giving Health Care Providers Legal Immunity During Pandemic

Wednesday, April 29, 2020

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/apr/29/a ... nursing-h/

Maybe he wants to both increase the death rate to keep the lockdown going, and to eliminate the vulnerable people who use so many state resources. I am sure that some greedy people, if they have immunity, will take the Covid-19 patients.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Wuffer

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Germany and Denmark remain considerably beneath the 1.0 threshold (.79 and .86, respectively). Denmark began easing on April 15. German around April 26.

Wish that would be still the case...
But no, it's ~ 1.1 here in Germany again.
Not sure if the relaxing alone was responsible - imho it's unfortunately the behaviour of this very special species of apes: as soon as the first restrictions were lifted, not everyone but too many idiots switched back in their old behaviour.

A friend is reopening his restaurant under chaotic regulations and give it at maximum two to three months until the next forced lockdown (which will end his business for ever). Only reservations, guests had to arrive in time and no more then 10 min late, had to registrate personallity including the exact chair and are forced to leave after 1 1/2 hour. Exactly like in the old GDR...

It's the people. If only once in while a volunteer would die in the middle of zhe street to confrontate the plebs with potentiel consequences.

I thought the whole intent of the lockdown was to prevent our medical system from getting overwhelmed. It was never the intent to eliminate to stop COVID-19 - nearly slow it down so we have an opportunity to deal with it using our current resources. Near as I can tell, unless they come up with a vaccine, we are kinda stuck with the "Boomer Disease."

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Funny, in a sad kind of way.

California pol tweets ‘F–k Elon Musk’ after announcement to move Tesla

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/californi ... ove-tesla/

Tesla has 7,000 workers in China with no deaths, at least according to WSJ. Shortage components are believed to be behind a shutdown there.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... se-factory

I am sure that Texas and Nevada are happy about this twit - I mean tweet!

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Maybe he wants to both increase the death rate to keep the lockdown going, and to eliminate the vulnerable people who use so many state resources. I am sure that some greedy people, if they have immunity, will take the Covid-19 patients.

Doubtful.

He is caught between a rock and a hard place and there is no easy solutions.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Folks - please tone it down. We all share an interest in the Pacific War, and while we obviously have different political views, we are better than getting into name calling and attacks. According to BBC it is a nice day in London (and hopefully the rest of the UK). It has stopped snowing here in NY. Let's get our walking canes out and go outside, away from computers and TVs......

Oh come on fcooke! It's a bar fight. I'm a gonna wade in and swing my cane about and maybe whack a few folks upside the head. This whole shindig is makin' me feel young again and full of piss-and-vinegar! Heck - afterwards I might even splurge and side up to the bar and get me a Shirley Temple!

(Totally tongue-in-cheek)

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Maybe he wants to both increase the death rate to keep the lockdown going, and to eliminate the vulnerable people who use so many state resources. I am sure that some greedy people, if they have immunity, will take the Covid-19 patients.

Doubtful.

He is caught between a rock and a hard place and there is no easy solutions.

I am sure that there are building that could be adapted instead of putting people into existing facilities. Think of a motel or hotel, how much business does it currently have? Or if has recently closed and is not in need of major repairs? those would be better places to open for the Covid-19 patients.

[fcooke]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: fcooke

I'm in an addiction program. We still meet via Zoom and audio.

The programs around here, which usually met at churches, do this too, but there is of course reduced attendance and I feel it can't be as effective over the computer as in person.

Plus now I suspect it is hard to drop into a different group easily.

Yep - the in person part is important (IMO). I am not a particularly high risk category person, and video seems to work better than audio in my experience. But the 'at risk' in the mental health community is clearly stressing based on what I have heard/seen firsthand.

[fcooke]

DW - you made me chuckle - thank you [&o]

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Folks - please tone it down. We all share an interest in the Pacific War, and while we obviously have different political views, we are better than getting into name calling and attacks. According to BBC it is a nice day in London (and hopefully the rest of the UK). It has stopped snowing here in NY. Let's get our walking canes out and go outside, away from computers and TVs......

Oh come on fcooke! It's a bar fight. I'm a gonna wade in and swing my cane about and maybe whack a few folks upside the head. This whole shindig is makin' me feel young again and full of piss-and-vinegar! Heck - afterwards I might even splurge and side up to the bar and get me a Shirley Temple!

(Totally tongue-in-cheek)

Anyone who orders a Shirley Temple should get an automatic 3 month ban from the forum for being underage to post.

Alfred

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf


I thought the whole intent of the lockdown was to prevent our medical system from getting overwhelmed. It was never the intent to eliminate to stop COVID-19 - nearly slow it down so we have an opportunity to deal with it using our current resources. Near as I can tell, unless they come up with a vaccine, we are kinda stuck with the "Boomer Disease."

Exactly. And in the USA, we did - see attached chart. That is the very definition of a "flattened curve", and it's been that way since early April. People who say we need this to "taper off" are missing the point. Absent a cure, the only path forward is to slowly build Herd Immunity, and to do so with a steady load of new cases, which is how you avoid overwhelming the medical system.

Edit: Chart is from Worldometers