Is this an undocumented change in the new version or...

[Dalwin]

… or is it some event that is triggered without an announcement to either side? I am speaking of Axis diplomacy with the Dutch East Indies. DEI had gotten to 80+ % toward Axis, then suddenly on August 1941 it was at 24% without anything announced to either side.

If this is intentional, what triggers it? On the previous turn, Japan had declined to diplomatically take Indochina, but it would be bizarre if that were the trigger. I have successfully taken the DEI this way before and done so a few turns before the Pacific War got rolling.

[Marcinos1985]

Doesn't oil embargo towards Japan shift DEI strongly towards Allies?

[BillRunacre]

Hi Dalwin

Marcinos1985 is right, it is an impact of the oil embargo.

It's nothing new, but thanks for raising it as I will add it to the Strategy Guide because it isn't currently mentioned in it.

Bill

[Dalwin]

So the bottom line is that if you want to diplomatically annex the DEI you have to do it before the US oil embargo kicks in. It was close, and now I know. That is somewhere in the ballpark of 800 MPP wasted, not to mention the lost opportunity of doing diplomacy anywhere else.

[amandkm]

Confused there. Even if you put in every single chit all three Axis powers have, it would only be 550 MPP, right?

[Dalwin]

ORIGINAL: amandkm

Confused there. Even if you put in every single chit all three Axis powers have, it would only be 550 MPP, right?

That is not correct. Every time you get a success and gain some percentage, whether a few or several, a chit is burned and has to be replaced for maximum chance at future gains.

[amandkm]

I had *not* noticed that! Interesting.

[ThunderLizard11]

I had this happen and now don't bother trying to flip DEI. There's not that big of a gain to make it worthwhile.

[shadowX]

in the games i have played as axis, i never did attack DEI however later in the war for some reason the us declares war on them and they turn axis every time.

[Dalwin]

ORIGINAL: ThunderLizard2

I had this happen and now don't bother trying to flip DEI. There's not that big of a gain to make it worthwhile.

ORIGINAL: shadowX

in the games i have played as axis, i never did attack DEI however later in the war for some reason the us declares war on them and they turn axis every time.

I find this to be different in multi-player, which is all I play. The advantage to getting it before the war is in the position itself more than the economics. The British are forced to be more concerned about India, giving you more of a free hand in the Pacific.