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18-19 Nov 44

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18-19 Nov 44

Highlights – IJA defenders hold on at Amami.

Jpn ships sunk:
DD: 2 (Makinami, Uzuki)
MTB: 5
xAK: 1

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 23
Allied: 15

Subwar:
Jpn: 0 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 4 Attacks, 1 ship hit (xAK sunk)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: IJN appears to retire, although DDs are engaged at Amami. Doubt any attempt will be made to reinforce Amami, although any Allied reinforcement will likely be contested.

Strategic Bombing Campaign: Strat bombing VPs remains at 7934. B-29s will target Osaka next turn with a max effort at night, 8k altitude.

West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, IJN DD TF (3DD) and MTBs tangle with US DDs and PTs at Amami, and get the short end, losing two DDs and 5 MTBs for minor damage to US forces. Oldendorf’s BB TF (6BB) inflict over 150 casaulties on the Amami defenders, and meet no surface contacts. Sallys drop more air dropped mines at Kume-jima which are quickly swept by minesweepers. The Tokunoshima Amph TFs need to complete loading a few laggard support squads, and remain at Miyako-jima. CV TFs remain just off Kume-jima, and will take on fuel next turn, while the CVE TFs remain at Kume-jima providing local CAP and LRCAP to Amami.

In SWPAC, two ground attacks go in against Amami and both are held, although forts are reduced from 5 to 3. Casualties were heavy for both sides, 1700 IJA to about 1000 Allied. While the Allied troops need to rest, all formations are in good order, and will resume the attack after next turns respite. No additional troops are needed. As mentioned, the Tokunoshima Amph is almost finished loading, and that should be put into motion in a couple of turns.

In China, NSTR.

In SE Asia, XXXIII Corps troops will launch against Foochow next turn and IV Corps will continue the attack against the remaining Canton defenders. In Malaya, as XV Corps continues to cross from Johore Bahru to Singapore, an additional Heavy Bomb Group is brought in to support from China.

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20-21 Nov 44

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20-21 Nov 44

Highlights – Major IJN sortie mauls CVE TFs at Kume-jima but is costly to the IJN; solid B-29 raid on Osaka.

Jpn ships sunk:
CA: 6 (Tone, Chikuma, Atago, Kumano, Kinugasa, Aoba)
CL: 2 (Oyodo, Noshiro)
DD: 11 (Fuyuzuki, Suzunami, Akishimo, Asashimo, Natsushio, Yukikaze, Hayashio, Isokaze, Shiranui, Arashi, Asagiri)
MTB: 1
SC: 1
AMc: 1

Jpn ships un-sunk:
BB: 1 (Hiei)
DD: 1 (Akigumo)

Allied ships sunk:
CVE: 9 (Begum, Bismarck Sea, Cape Esperance, Casablanca, Hollandia, Marcus Is, Nehenta Bay, Rudyerd Bay, Saginaw Bay)
CA: 2 (Seattle, Pensacola)
CL: 1 (Newcastle)
CLAA: 2 (Reno, Argonaut)
DD: 3 (Bagley, Conner, Yarnall)
DE: 6 (Acree, Bangust, Cloues, Duffy, Kyne, Weaver)
PT: 18
SS: 1 (Sea Rover)
LST: 7
LCI (G): 15
YMS: 1

Air loss:
Jpn: 41
Allied: 316

Subwar:
Jpn: 0 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 20 Attacks, 5 ships hit (2CA, 2DD sunk CL Dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated:
Foochow (SE Asia)

SIGINT/Intel: I’m caught flat-footed as the IJN comes out in force all the way to Kume-jima. All-out effort with what appears to be the entire IJN, less CVs. Not sure what is left combat ready after this is all done; maybe 3 or 4 BBs, a half dozen heavy and light cruisers, plus the KB is still intact. The other question is fuel avail to sortie again. Surprisingly, no LRCAP was protecting this sortie.

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Strategic Bombing Campaign: Good effort over Osaka with effective raids going in both nights. Bomber stream consisted of 24 separate raids totaling 226 sorties at 8k ft - one raid was even over 50 planes! CAP was light, with a max of 13 Nick fighter bombers, no radar equipped planes. Flak downed 6 bombers with another lost to OPs, while 11 Nicks were lost. Bombing was accurate with fires getting to just over 259k, the best results so far. Strat bombing VPs increased from 7934 to 8528 with fires still burning hot at over 50k. B-29s will again target Osaka next turn to take advantage of already burning fires, although weather may prove more problematic.

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RE: 20-21 Nov 44

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West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, as Ed Sullivan used to say, it was a “really big shooow”! IJN comes roaring back into the fray, and didn’t stop at Amami Oshima, but continued all the way to a presumed “safe, well protected anchorage” of Kume-jima. Best as I can figure, the IJN was broken down into two main TFs, a BB TF (6BB, 2CA, 2CL, DDs) and a CA TF (7CA, 3CL, DDs) which were preceded by 2-3 DD TFs to clear the way, all at fast speed. The IJN deftly avoided the 50+ subs from doing any damage, none getting past the TFs’ protective ASW screen. The IJN TFs then mauled a still offloading LST/LCI(G) TF at Amami and rolled over the PTs in the area. Continuing on to Kume-jima, they mauled another LST TF bound for Amami and some PTs that survived the mayhem at Amami. Now in daylight, the IJN steamed into Kume-jima where the 3 CVE TFs lay. They were in theory well protected by a CA TF (3CA, 2CL, DDs), two DD TFs and two PT squadrons. Well….not so much. And of course, the IJN managed to avoid the CAs and DDs and go right into the CVEs! The accompanying cruisers, and DD/DEs with the CVEs gave a good account of themselves, but all three CVE TFs were effectively engaged by both the IJN BB and CA TFs and were mauled, losing 9 CVEs and all but 5 or so (out of about 30 baby flattops) unscathed and ready for action. The US CA TF engaged the IJN CA TF which was pretty much a draw, banging up both TFs. What was missing was any US airpower up to this point. Weather was likely the main factor, but the US CV TFs, one hex to the north sortied perhaps 50% of its strike aircraft all told, including not one of the British torpedo bombers from three carriers. Not good. Still, land based B-25s at low level did yeoman work against cruisers and destroyers on both days scoring numerous bomb hits, and the few CV strikes that did launch did get hits across the IJN, although primarily with bombs. The US DD TFs also did well, getting engaged after the main battles wore down the IJN. The trip back to home port is where most of the damage was inflicted on already damaged ships. The first air delivered torpedoes found the mark on BBs Kongo, Mutsu and Ise while subs picked off a few cruisers. On the positive side….of course…it could have been worse. A big Replenishment TF (w/CVEs and AOs for the Fleet) was completely missed, as was a TF loaded with some engineers holding for Amami to be secured. However, the Iowa led BB TF with the carriers just a hex a way didn’t intervene either, which is probably a good thing.
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So who won? Tactically, the IJN again did well in the individual battles usually inflicting much more damage, at least until they were worn down by constant engagements. So perhaps a marginal tactical victory. Operationally, I’d give this a solid Allied victory, although due to the losses, a marginal one. The IJN has likely shot its bolt, and based on the 25 float planes listed as ground loss, a good number of ships were lost to the IJN as well. And while 9 CVEs lost was severe, having some two dozen or so heading into repair is more damaging, at least in the near term. Fortunately, most aren’t severely damaged, only one is in danger of sinking (fires still raging). The loss of LSTs, LCI(G)s and PTs aren’t going to effect operations in late ’44. And based on current operations to secure Amami, and then Tokunoshima, having the IJN launch now is probably the best timing I could ask for. Had this armada launched against the Tokunoshima landings, it would have been bleak. Not having the CVs or assault shipping engaged means little will change in the overall offensive plans. So, what’s next? The CV TFs will head NE two hexes to see if they can take out any additional damaged ships. Tokunoshima Amph TFs managed to offload their troops at Miyako-jima (forgot to set TFs to not unload when I adjusted ship composition), so they’ll reload their troops next turn and then be prepared to sail. Will still need air cover to protect troops landing at Amami, and I’m a tad short CVEs now - 5 just finished refit at Manila, 5 more are holding at Miyako and another 5 or are still combat ready from the action at Kume-jima. I’ll take the two air cover CVEs from the Repl TFs, so I can muster two CVE TFs, which should provide around 300-350 fighters. Will go with what I have and plan to proceed as planned. Brit cruisers that were doing bombardment missions along the China coast will be brought out to provide additional cover, replacing cruiser losses. I still need to sort out what repair yards to send the damaged ships, and prioritize repairs. One thing is that CV Enterprise will lose its yard space at Manila to make room for CVEs and cruisers. Some will also head to Hong Kong whose repair capability is expanding nicely and will overtake Manila shortly in capacity. Hopefully, Singapore can be captured quicker than later with its yards reasonably intact. If not, will need to send some ships to Colombo. Two moderately damaged CVEs will head to Sydney, and that is the furthest I’d like to send any of the damaged ships. Still, all yards in the western Pacific will be heavily taxed for the next few weeks, perhaps months.

In SWPAC, the next ground attack on Amami will go next turn, and should take the base. Hopefully. That will allow engineers to flow in, beginning with that TF missed at Kume-jima, as well as two other TFs full of engineers waiting at Batan Is. Will look to begin operations against Tokunoshima once I get an AF up at Amami - that is the only real change, I was going to start landings there prior to getting the Amami AF up and running, but being short CVEs, I can wait a turn or two. Should be within a week perhaps. On Formosa, the US 31st ID has landed and is moving toward Taihoku, and once in place, the Aussie II Corps will begin the attack to take the base. And with this ever so slight delay in landing at Tokunoshima, Oldendorf’s BB TF can make a bombardment run in support.

In China, NSTR.

In SE Asia, XXXIII Corps troops take Foochow in the first attack, and now are focused on moving on Wenchow and Chuhsien. IV Corps remains battling stubborn defenders in the rubble of Canton; in two attacks, 3500 IJA lost at a cost of 2500 Allied. Costly. Troops will rest a turn before resuming the attack. In Malaya, as XV Corps will make the assault against Singapore next turn! Hopefully weather permits full air support as they will likely need all the help they can get in that initial shock attack. Brit BB TF (2BB, 2CL, DDs) will also provide gunfire support.
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And the combat report:

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RE: 20-21 Nov 44

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Losing 9 CVEs in real life would probably meant a new job in a desk in Washington DC. Bad press and angry mothers/ widows can ruin a career [:D]

But game wise I agree it is kind of irrelevant; you already got a foothold in the Ryukyu islands, therefore you will soon get better support from airbases than any CV force,
Aircraft losses are probably Wildcats and Avengers, which are already obsolete or abundant

I bet your subs will start sinking battle survivors in the next turns



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RE: 20-21 Nov 44

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Losing 9 CVEs in real life would probably meant a new job in a desk in Washington DC. Bad press and angry mothers/ widows can ruin a career [:D]


Ha! If that was the case, I would have been cashiered a few months ago when a few BIG Carriers went down!
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RE: 20-21 Nov 44

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Although it appears you can shrug off those CVE losses, losing that much CAP could make a closer in landing pretty rough if he still has a lot of kamis.

I've read on this forum that TFs get engaged based on TF number, with the lowest-numbered TF getting engaged first, so I always try to give my surface TFs lower numbers than say my CV, CVE support and amphib TFs. Can you shed any light on whether that was true in your epic battle? Did your cruiser TFs have a higher TF number than the CVEs?

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Although it appears you can shrug off those CVE losses, losing that much CAP could make a closer in landing pretty rough if he still has a lot of kamis.

I've read on this forum that TFs get engaged based on TF number, with the lowest-numbered TF getting engaged first, so I always try to give my surface TFs lower numbers than say my CV, CVE support and amphib TFs. Can you shed any light on whether that was true in your epic battle? Did your cruiser TFs have a higher TF number than the CVEs?

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Lower numbered TFs have the first CHANCE to engage the enemy, but things like bad weather can always let the enemy slip through to the more valuable stuff.
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I don't know the answer, but it would be sloppy if the TF# had a major impact; I mean there should be other more important factors in place
and only if nothing else is left, then go by TF number

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RE: 20-21 Nov 44

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Well we see what would have happened to Kurita if he had carried the attack all the way out and ran into Halsey as he hurried back to the Taffys as they scramble to run and hide.
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I don't know the answer, but it would be sloppy if the TF# had a major impact; I mean there should be other more important factors in place
and only if nothing else is left, then go by TF number


I'm in 100% agreement. It shouldn't work that way. Still, the game is what it is.

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Although it appears you can shrug off those CVE losses, losing that much CAP could make a closer in landing pretty rough if he still has a lot of kamis.

I've read on this forum that TFs get engaged based on TF number, with the lowest-numbered TF getting engaged first, so I always try to give my surface TFs lower numbers than say my CV, CVE support and amphib TFs. Can you shed any light on whether that was true in your epic battle? Did your cruiser TFs have a higher TF number than the CVEs?

Cheers,
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Interesting theory about the taskforce numbering CaptBeefheart, I went back to a save before the carnage and this is what I found; here are the taskforce numbers, in order of engagement in the Kure-jima hex:

1st: IJN CA TF vs. Brit CVE TF#246
2nd: IJN CA TF vs. US CA TF#336
3rd: IJN BB TF vs. US CVE TF#44
4th: IJN CA TF vs. US DD TF#259
5th: IJN CA TF vs. US DD TF#177
6th: IJN BB TF vs. US DD TF#170 - apparently reacted from the adjacent hex to the NE.
7th: IJN BB TF vs. US ASW TF#127 (2DD/DE)
8th: IJN BB TF vs. US ASW TF#180 (DD/DE)
9th: IJN BB TF vs. US PT TF#268
10th IJN BB TF vs. US CVE TF#566
11th IJN BB TF vs. US PT TF#392
12th IJN BB TF vs. Brit Barge TF578 (both TFs evade cmbt)
13th IJN BB TF vs. US Minelaying TF#236
14th IJN BB TF vs. Brit CVE TF#246 again (both TFs evade cmbt)
15th IJN BB TF vs. US Repl TF18 (Repl TF left hex and returned/both TFs evade cmbt)
16th IJN BB TF vs. US PT TF#331 (both TFs evade cmbt)

also 4 small minesweeping TFs were never encountered.

So....what does this show you?
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It shows that the bad weather in the hex (which you referred to) had more effect than the TF# - as it should.
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22-23 Nov 44

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22-23 Nov 44

Highlights – IJN take damage heading to home ports; Amami Oshima taken and the battle for Singapore begins.

Jpn ships sunk:
BB: 2 (Haruna, Kongo)
CA: 1 (Mikuma)
DD: 6 (Akigumo, Fujinami, Kishinami, Nowaki, Michishio, Yamagumo)
E: 1
SC: 1
PB: 1
xAK: 1
xAKL: 1

Jpn ships un-sunk:
CA: 1 (Aoba)
DD: 4 (Yugumo, Tamanami, Suzunami, Hagikaze,)

Allied ships sunk:
CVE: 1 (Manila Bay - was on fire, but did get the planes/pilots off!)
DD: 1 (McCalla - scuttled)
YO: 1
LST: 6

Air loss:
Jpn: 93
Allied: 46

Subwar:
Jpn: 0 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 13 Attacks, 6 ships hit (BB, PB sunk, 3 BB, CA, Dam)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated:
Amami Oshima (SWPAC)

SIGINT/Intel: IJN withdraws towards home from Kume-jima and looked to be very short fuel from the dash as AOs were sighted and engaged just off Kyushu. IJN took a heavy pounding enroute home, no longer a major surface threat. However, Kamikazes remain significant threat off Kyushu. Six IJN CVs reported heading to and sighted at Tokyo, intent unknown.

Strategic Bombing Campaign: Another good effort over Osaka with another effective raids going in both nights, although weather did limit second day’s strikes. Bomber stream consisted of 15 separate raids totaling 171 sorties at 8k ft. CAP was again light, with a max of only 9 Nick fighter bombers, no radar equipped planes. But Flak did better, downing 9 bombers, while 9 Nicks were lost. Bombing was fairly accurate with fires getting to just over 159k. Strat bombing VPs increased from 8528 to 8934 with fires still burning about 15k. B-29s will now need a bit of a rest.
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West Coast/Admin: NSTR.

In NOPAC, NSTR.

In CENPAC, B-29s are used to mine Tokyo and Yokahama to greet the IJN CVs. Will look to use those same Guam based B-29s to execute a port attack next turn, assuming the CVs may disband at Tokyo.

In SOPAC, the IJN continued to return to home port from its sortie to Kume-jima, and the already damaged ships were heavily interdicted by subs and aircraft. And they headed in all compass directions; BB Nagato was reportedly hit by over 20 times by divebombers has she headed north toward Saishu To, just off the Korean peninsula. BB Ise was hit twice by subs and took 10 bomb hits NNE of Daito Shoto. B-25s were again the most effective bomb platform repeatedly striking and hitting withdrawing cruisers and DDs, while once again TBFs refused to fly and deliver torpedoes. Still, the two hex dash NE probably did well for the US CVs, giving that little extra range to hit both Nagato and the surprising find of a small Repl TF off Kuroshima, setting two AOs afire. Limiting the dash to two hexes was also a good idea as Kamikazes flew again, and targets were limited to a half dozen LSTs unloading at Amami - which cost 29 Zeros and 13 Vals as Kamikazes and 15 Petes used as conventional strike aircraft at low level. LRCAP over Amami was limited due to weather, and lost 3 P-47s to the escort of Georges which lost 4 planes. I think the Kamikazes were intended for the US Fleet, not some LSTs as the strike package also included five additional raids which didn’t find targets and returned to base (yes, Kamikazes can return to base!). The Fleet will drop back to its position off Kume-jima next turn, and only limited assets will venture to Amami with the Kamikaze threat - some LCIs bringing in some engineers and a barge TF bringing supplies, both overwatched by a DD TF (3DD), and hopefully some Kume-jima based LRCAP. Another DD TF (3DD) will raid Tokara Retto which looks to have some IJN light forces in and about. I’m very curious to see if Kamikazes strike again, or if they have been shut down until the Fleet makes a closer appearance.

In SWPAC, the ground attack on Amami secures the base in the first attack, and then troops begin to attrit the remaining defenders. After two days, IJA lost over 2300 men to the Allies losing about 750. Amami remains a costly campaign. Still, the base is secure, and construction begins on the AF! Once the airfield is constructed and fighters brought in, Tokunoshima amphib will get the green light. Until then, much of the bombers will rest, while additional B-25s are set to low level naval attack posture. B-25s and B-24s will also strike Tokara-Retto port and airfield - possible refuge for IJN cripples and the AF is reportedly packed with those pesky Pete float planes. On the Formosa front, Oldendorf’s BBs bombard Taihoku with reasonable effect, inflicted over 200 casaulties without incident. Troops may be in position to launch the attack next turn or worst case, the turn after.

In China, NSTR.

In SE Asia, XV Corps makes its shock attack against Singapore! Troops meet level 6 forts, and suffer almost 10k casualties in the two attacks. IJA lose only 2500. However, troops are across the strait, and have reduced forts from 6 to level 2. Other than the poor bloody engineer battalions, most of the Allied losses were disabled squads, and formations, although needing rest, should be able to complete the attack to seize the base within a week. Actually better than I expected since the forts were reduced to level 2! IV Corps will resume its attack to clear the remaining IJA troops at Canton next turn while XXXIII Corps troops shift forces from Foochow toward the Chuhsien area. Recon is showing limited IJA troops south of Hangchow/Shanghai, so it’s only a matter of time before AFs can be secured for 10th Air Force to get their B-24s in range of Kyushu - and fighters in range to support possible landings at Saishu To.
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RE: 22-23 Nov 44

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how did they reduce it from 6 to 2?

was it because you play 2-turns?
2 attacks, with engineers reducing 1 level before the attack and one level after the attack times 2 because of the 2-turn play?

or was it something different
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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

how did they reduce it from 6 to 2?

was it because you play 2-turns?
2 attacks, with engineers reducing 1 level before the attack and one level after the attack times 2 because of the 2-turn play?

or was it something different

We're playing two day turns, so the first attack reduced forts to level 5, and the second attack reduced them to level 2.

Here's the combat report from the two battles:
Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 71636 troops, 1080 guns, 628 vehicles, Assault Value = 2453

Defending force 28351 troops, 238 guns, 112 vehicles, Assault Value = 740

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 1832

Japanese adjusted defense: 1111

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1677 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 26 (3 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
7068 casualties reported
Squads: 57 destroyed, 365 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 39 destroyed, 105 disabled
Guns lost 72 (6 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (2 destroyed, 63 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade
26th Indian Division
762nd Tank Battalion
14th Indian Division
209th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
17th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
82nd (West African) Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
7th New Chinese Corps
XV Corps RIASC Base Force
XV Indian Corps
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
602nd Field Artillery Battalion
137/155th Field Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Field Regiment

Defending units:
55th/C Division
5th/B Division
33rd/B Division
48th/B Division
5th INA Regiment
18th/B Division
29th Army
Maraisha JNAF Base Force
25th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Base Force

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 67108 troops, 1076 guns, 627 vehicles, Assault Value = 1954

Defending force 26194 troops, 234 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 536

Allied adjusted assault: 1653

Japanese adjusted defense: 461

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
955 casualties reported
Squads: 58 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 30 (7 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2614 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 58 disabled
Guns lost 24 (6 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (9 destroyed, 49 disabled)
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RE: 22-23 Nov 44

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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

how did they reduce it from 6 to 2?

was it because you play 2-turns?
2 attacks, with engineers reducing 1 level before the attack and one level after the attack times 2 because of the 2-turn play?

or was it something different

We're playing two day turns, so the first attack reduced forts to level 5, and the second attack reduced them to level 2.

Here's the combat report from the two battles:
Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 71636 troops, 1080 guns, 628 vehicles, Assault Value = 2453

Defending force 28351 troops, 238 guns, 112 vehicles, Assault Value = 740

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 1832

Japanese adjusted defense: 1111

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1677 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 26 (3 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
7068 casualties reported
Squads: 57 destroyed, 365 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 39 destroyed, 105 disabled
Guns lost 72 (6 destroyed, 66 disabled)
Vehicles lost 65 (2 destroyed, 63 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade
26th Indian Division
762nd Tank Battalion
14th Indian Division
209th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
17th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
82nd (West African) Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
7th New Chinese Corps
XV Corps RIASC Base Force
XV Indian Corps
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
602nd Field Artillery Battalion
137/155th Field Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Field Regiment

Defending units:
55th/C Division
5th/B Division
33rd/B Division
48th/B Division
5th INA Regiment
18th/B Division
29th Army
Maraisha JNAF Base Force
25th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Base Force

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 67108 troops, 1076 guns, 627 vehicles, Assault Value = 1954

Defending force 26194 troops, 234 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 536

Allied adjusted assault: 1653

Japanese adjusted defense: 461

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
955 casualties reported
Squads: 58 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 30 (7 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2614 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 234 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 29 destroyed, 58 disabled
Guns lost 24 (6 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (9 destroyed, 49 disabled)
Units destroyed 1
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RE: 22-23 Nov 44

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first time I have ever seen a reduction from 5 to 2 in a single combat [&o]
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