Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[NorthernFox]

Currently FFG-818 Daegu(#3217) Frigate equipped with KM-SAM Block2(#3596), however KM-SAM was never mounted on a Vassel and KVLS System.
Daegu should be equip Haegung SAAM (SAAM-400K), is the current KM-SAM was a temporary measure due to lack of data of Haegung? [8|]


Haegung is a quad-pack system with four rounds in one KVLS Cell, using IIR/RF Dual Seeker for terminal guidance, capable to intercept supersonic ASM
Max range is 11~12nm/20km, sadly small amount of information is known but hopefully more information will be released in the near future because of ROKN keep purchasing/deploying SAAM for new coming vassel
also Mk31 RAM should be removed, Daegu Class only using Phalanx Block 1B for CIWS



Only Phalanx was installed above the heli hanger, no RAM

[Zanthra]

ORIGINAL: TitaniumTrout

I've been playing with drones and detection ranges which has led to what I think is an outlier. The MQ-9B post 2016 can mount the Gorgon Stare (Sensor 3317, 3318, 3319, 3320). It can detect ground targets at ranges around 40nm. The only other system that is even close is the SR-71 / U-2. Most other modern drones have a detection range for the same targets of around 4 (four) nm.

So I did some digging and it seems Gorgon Stare's greatest selling point isn't that it can see out to 40nm, but it can track multiple targets at the same time using a massively powerful camera array. Realistically the benefit would be tracking quantity, as a single IR/EO head should/could only focus on one target at a time.

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In a perfect world drones in CMO would go between search and monitoring and lose contact when switching from one target to the next. Then something like Gorgon Stare would really be exceptional as it could track dozens of targets at once.

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Comparing the two I'm not sure what sets apart the Gorgon in the DB to make it look out so incredibly far. The regular AN/AAS-52 has a detection range of a normal drone.

I guess the tl;dr is Gorgon Stare = too awesome, range should be reduced to a more reasonable 6-8 nm.

The difference is the "Role: Infrared, Surveillance Camera" vs "Role: Infrared, Target Tracking and Identification FLIR"

The important thing is that, the Gorgon Stare is recording images of everything around it all the time, where a Target Tracking and Identification FLIR may not be looking in that direction. It's a matter of the operators and the software to detect an interesting target from all the uninteresting stuff that the Gorgon Stare captures, but the limits on how many targets at what resolution and framerate is more a matter of downlink bandwidth than it pointing in the right direction.

I found this document that talks about the capabilities of Gorgon Stare as well.

https://www.sto.nato.int/publications/S ... -12B-3.pdf

PS: I do think you have a point in terms of how far ahead the Gorgon Stare can see. It's generally operated above the target area looking straight down at it, rather than from the side at a distance.

[Gunner98]

Can we get Cargo functionality for the CN-235

Also some passenger loadouts - according to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASA/IPTN_CN-235

Capacity: 51 passengers, 35 paratroops, 18 stretchers or four HCU-6/E pallets including one on the ramp

FAS says 48 paratroops & 21 stretchers : https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/cn-235.htm

Air Force Tech agrees with FAS, states 57 PAX and has a photo of paratroops: https://www.airforce-technology.com/pro ... n-235-300/

Currently the only loads available are 4 ton and 6 ton both no-drop, but some loadouts should be paradrop

Best I can tell this affects DBID#
888
2132
3936
3935
3936
4393

BTW - DBID#2275 has the wrong photo associated with it

EDIT: just found this manual: https://fliphtml5.com/jjnr/fmeq/basic/51-67

Thanks a bunch

[stilesw]

I found this document that talks about the capabilities of Gorgon Stare as well.
https://www.sto.nato.int/publications/S ... -12B-3.pdf

Scott,

Thanks for theis reference. I've added it to the CMO unofficial Dropbox reference library.

Unofficial - i.e. not sponsored by WarefareSims, MatrixGames, Slitherine, their employees, relatives, pets or ancestors.

As always, any forum member can have access to this Dropbox resource. Just PM me with your email address.

[tylerblakebrandon]

Can the EL/M-2106 ATAR radar for SPYDER-SR be added to Vietnam? They are the only nation in the DB with SPYDER-SR that is missing the radar.

[AndrewJ]

Hello,

It looks like the Papa class SSGN #353 is accidentally mis-labelled as as an SSN.



Thanks,

[nonamehere78]

Did you fix?

[alphali]

Hi,
I have two things to report.

1- The target altitude for Sky Bow 3 missile doesn't make sense I haven't seen such range designation anywhere else so I think this is database mistake. From the image below you can see that the target range is from ~30km ASL to ~25km AGL.

[alphali]

2 - The target altitude for the Chinese SC-19 anti-satellite missile in the database is shown to be 30 km to 120km. That's doesn't make sense as that's still within the earth's atmosphere. The range should be in 100's of kilometers, with the SC-19 test reportedly destroyed satellite at an altitude of 850km.

[KnightHawk75]

#3223 SAM Bty (Patriot [PAC-2 GEM+, PAC-3 ERINT/MSE]) 6x Lnchr, LAMDIS
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Issue - you end up with 16 LAMDIS radars\sensors, and I'm guessing that is not intentional (or is it??).


It stems from the fact one of the mounts use for this #3120 name:"Patriot M901" comment: "2004, PAC-2 GEM+ LAMDIS" is applied 4 times.
The DataMountSensors shows it has 4 entries for a #5987 LAMDIS sensor per mount so it's just doing what it's told.
Proposed change: I think there should only be 1 #5987 entry in DataMountSensors for mount #3120.
You'd still end up with 1 LAMDIS radar per mount, so in the case of that #3223 SAM Bty there will be 4, still overkill, but 4 is a lot less default waste than 16.

Alternatively and maybe a better resolution is remove the sensors entirely on that mount, and put 1 or 2 5987 LAMDIS's on the #3223 facility sensor list itself.

edit: Tweaks for clarity.

[x2oop]

Any chance for having this looked at? I mean mostly the radar and TEL part. Thanks in advance.

ORIGINAL: x2oop

I've noticed that some data need a little correction though.

For example Sayaad-2 missile used by Talash, has now 120 nm range. The exact range is unknown, but it is classified by Iran as a medium range SAM. Most of analyses say that the Sayyad-2 has something like 75 - 80 km range.

In 2013, Iran unveiled the Sayyad-2 (“Hunter”), which is visibly evolved from the SM-1, and very fast with a maximum speed of Mach 4.5 and range of forty-six miles. It can be fired from the truck-mobile Talaash (“Endeavour”) and Khordad-15 air defense systems, which can engage six targets simultaneously.

Quote is from:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... -35-111376

Here are specs of Khordad-15 system using Sayyad-2 missile, it says engagement range is 75km:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... -specs.htm

If there is a need Talash can use also newer Sayyad-3 missiles with longer range reaching 120-150km. I believe this variant is called Talash-3. It might be added separately from the current 2015 variant.
https://warisboring.com/47047-2/
https://defense-update.com/20161229_sayyad-3.html
https://en.irna.ir/news/83134202/Range- ... o-increase
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyad-2#Sayyad-3


The last thigns are radars. Now Talash uses old radars from S-75. It seems that in real life it uses Kavosh and Ofogh fire control radar. I know there is no data for them, but I was able to find that we already have Kavosh in the game. It's a PAR radar from Iranian I-Hawk "Mersad upgrade". So if it is possible, please change Talash to use it, as it would make much more sense. Also according to some sources new variant of Talash can use Hafez 3D and Meraj-4 radars. I guess we already have Hafez, same as before, with Iranian I-Hawk "Mersad upgrade", so might be added to Talsh as well.


If you would like to add Meraj-4 radar in the future, in this article you can find very detailed specification (which is quite unusual to get for Iranian radars):
https://irangeomil.blogspot.com/2019/08 ... ofile.html


Other sources for Talash radars usage:
https://twitter.com/maysam21901/status/ ... 8120880129
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaash_a ... nse_system

And explanation that Kavosh is also called PAR radar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersad#Radars

EDIT:

Also Talash should not use launch rails but TELs with 2-4 missiles per each.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrPLmpIW4AE ... name=small

[cdnice]

Some improvements coming for RCAF legacy Hornets:

Canadian Defence Review: Adding More Sting To The Hornets
Major upgrades incoming for Canada’s fleet of CF-188 Hornets

- WORKING WITH THE USMC
- Raytheon's APG-79(v)4 AESA
- NEW AMRAAM AND SIDEWINDER MISSILES

Hornet Extension Project (HEP) - Phase 1 (x94 CF-18's including 18 from RAAF)

Improve on-board avionics system and off board mission support systems of CF-18 fleet to remain interoperable with the allies and meet the civil/military aviation regulation beyond 2020. This phase of the project is linked with the delivery of the Future Fighter Capability Project.

Hornet Extension Project (HEP) - Phase 2 (x36 CF-18)

To improve the combat capability of a portion of the CF-18 fleet (36 aircraft) with upgrades to sensors, weapons, survivability, security and mission support.

Canada Cleared To Upgrade Its Aging CF-18 Hornets With New Radars, AIM-9X Sidewinders (Some great pics in the article)

This sale will provide Canada a two-squadron bridge of enhanced F/A-18A aircraft to continue meeting NORAD and NATO commitments while it gradually introduces new advanced aircraft via the Future Fighter Capability Program between 2025 and 2035.

The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on June 15, 2020.

The Government of Canada has requested to buy
-- fifty (50) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II Tactical missiles;
-- fifty (50) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs);
-- ten (10) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II Special Air Training Missiles (NATMs);
-- ten (10) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II Tactical Guidance Units;
-- ten (10) Sidewinder AIM-9X Block II CATM Guidance Units;
-- thirty-eight (38) APG-79(V)4 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar units;
-- thirty-eight (38) APG-79(V)4 AESA Radar A1 kits;
-- twenty (20) Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) C, AGM-154C;
-- forty-six (46) F/A-18A Wide Band RADOMEs.

Also included are additional technical and logistics support for the AESA radar; upgrades to the Advanced Distributed Combat Training System (ADCTS) to ensure flight trainers remain current with the new technologies; software development to integrate the systems listed into the F/A-18A airframe and install Automated Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto GCAS); thirty (30) Bomb Release Unit (BRU) - 42 Triple Ejector Racks (TER); thirty (30) Improved Tactical Air Launched Decoy (ITALD); one hundred four (104) Data Transfer Device/Data Transfer Units (DTD/DTU); twelve (12) Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); one hundred twelve (112) AN/ARC-210 RT-2036 (Gen 6) radios and F/A-18 integration equipment; support equipment; tools and test equipment; technical data and publications; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistical and program support.

CF-18 Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite

Upgrade the current ALR-67 V2 to ALR-67V3.
-------CF-18's from the previous life extension program should have the ALR-67 V2 instead of V1 unit (#4510 and #4511)

[BDukes]

Hellos!

Long time no posts.

Ok looks like Taiwan AT-3A/B (#114) carry Sidewinder on wingtips.

https://twitter.com/stoa1984/status/127 ... 39/photo/1

Thank!

[BDukes]

Hello

Please add USMC RF-4B

https://twitter.com/kadonkey/status/1272215786128580612

Datas IOC 1965-1990

https://flyingleathernecks.org/project/ ... hantom-ii/

Loadouts

https://fas.org/irp/program/collect/rf-4.htm

Thank!

[BDukes]

Can please add Algerian EW systems

1L222 Kvant- same as #2394

https://twitter.com/kad_ghani/status/12 ... 0591232000

Thank!

[Parel803]

Not sure if it's a DB issue or a stupidity on my side with settings in my system. Looking at the NL Rotterdam I cannot put all troops in due to max Mass. The cargo loadout gives 0.1 of 2.49 tons. In the DB it gives 2,488 tons. Realising the . and , differences on systems. If I'm to ask this question in another forum thread please let me now.
It also looks like her sister ship, the Spanish Galicia L51 has no capability on cargo and troops. (#831).
With Regards

[vettim89]

Just happened across this while designing a scenario: it seems to me the USN SH-3D and SH-3H models should have a SAR load out available. I know its not a big thing but they were the primary SAR aircraft for US carriers for three decades

[BDukes]

Hi

Look like F-35C now nuke capable.

https://theaviationist.com/2020/06/22/h ... dca-tests/

weapon is #3215 in DB

[BDukes]

HI

Quick pedantics out of service fix for ship #832.

Last one out of service this year. So updates 2019 out of service to 2021.

Source

https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1 ... 1254344705

[BDukes]

Hi

Added this request to CWDB list but maybe copy to your list too.

Hi

Can add UK and Indian 105mm FV-133 Abbotts

UK receive 1967-1968. 8 guns per battery.

crew 4, weight 16556kg dimension 5.84m l, 2.64m w, 2.489m h
same ammo as other UK 105mm
Retired from UK in early 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV433_Abbot_SPG

India receive 1971-1972 accordings to SIPRI DB

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 4356611074

Retired in 90s.

Thank!