Italian morale

[sveint]

Just utter cheese. Italy surrenders next turn.

[Flaviusx]

lol

You gotta be ready for that come 42 and drop garrisons all over northern Italy.

[Hadros]

Don't forget to mention I already occopied Sicily and took a bit of mainland Italy and you were reluctant to do anything about that.
That armor invaded from mainland Italy.

Also instead of moving more units in Italy to defend you sent more out to Russia.

[sveint]

I resigned, my second loss. Just not my playstyle. Italy even held Egypt at the time.

[sveint]

You played the UK brilliantly Hadros.

[Hadros]

Thanks

[Flaviusx]

Dude, you were seriously on notice here, based on what Hadros said.

Whether or not you had Egypt is besides the point and doesn't even count for Italian morale. The allies were making a move on Italy and you didn't guard against it at all. You kept sending units to Russia?

With Sicily gone that was a huge tell.

[sveint]

I disagree with his assessment. Italy was well garrisoned. There is no realistic scenario where you could take Torino without taking a harbour first.

[Hadros]

Only the harbours were garrisoned. I even forgot to mentiond Sardinia was also under my control. So launching an invasion from there was also possible. There was no navy or air cover in the north either.

You did move units out after you thought you had me contained.

[sveint]

I'm not saying you didn't play well. I'm saying it's utterly unrealistic and cheesy.

[Hadros]

And about being realistic. There was not a single German unit in France and the west coast. Only split Yugoslavians armies.

[Hadros]

So we both play unrealistic. Might be because it's a game.
You might just acknowledge you were outsmarted instead of saying it's cheesy.
Thats all.

[Flaviusx]

All you had to do was drop a single German infantry division or trash Italian infantry corps in Turin and this wouldn't have been possible. You should indeed have garrisons on every single Italian objective hex based on this situation. I would never have let this happen to me.

There comes a point in the game when the Axis has to start taking defensive measures seriously and particularly making a commitment to keeping Italy in the game -- and that will probably involve a fair number of German troops.

With Sicily gone and 1942 dropping Italian surrender requirements you should have been absolutely paranoid about Italy. This wasn't cheese and it could have been stopped with even a modicum of foresight.

[MorningDew]

I have had a few games where the Italians stretch themselves incredibly thin by invading Egypt and the middle east, only to be in trouble because they cannot cover in 1942. You know your morale is incredibly low and your government is on the edge of collapsing once the US enters. That isn't a surprise.

If you cannot garrison Italy properly, perhaps it is due to the strategy of reaching too far early.

Any port and morale resource within a few hexes of a potential immediate invasion (i.2. within 24 hexes) has to be garrisoned and there has to be some kind of air or naval cover to avoid a single unit from invading and causing a morale issue.

[AlvaroSousa]

How didn't you rail a couple guys into there before he ran at it? You had at least 1 turn.

You should see my Axis vs Hadros. I have everything garrisoned. No sneaky crap will be pulled on me.
And I always have reserve units ready to rail.

[MorningDew]

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa

How didn't you rail a couple guys into there before he ran at it? You had at least 1 turn.

You should see my Axis vs Hadros. I have everything garrisoned. No sneaky crap will be pulled on me.
And I always have reserve units ready to rail.

I'd love to see a screen shot.

[Harrybanana]

I had a similar situation happen to me. But in my case I left Trieste open because I didn't think my opponent had a unit in range. I didn't notice that he had a unit in a port near the toe of Italy that could reach. I got one chance to drive the unit out of Trieste but came up short. For me what I didn't like is that this invading enemy unit had to sail up the length of the Adriatic without being intercepted by any of my multiple air units. I did have one air unit in range of Trieste, but he soaked it off with a couple destroyer units. But I knew the Rules and so was madder at myself than the game system. Once you have had a chance to cool down Sveint I think you will feel the same. Not so much for not garrisoning Turin (I wouldn't have either) but, like Alvaro says, for not railing units into Turin the turn after the invasion.

[sillyflower]

sveint's screenshot looks very similar to the last turn of my game with him when the Italians surrendered,tho' mine was a land invasion. It cost him the game, to our mutual surprise.

[sveint]

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa
How didn't you rail a couple guys into there before he ran at it? You had at least 1 turn.

No turns. The armour ran straight from the beach, over a mountain, into Torino.

It's incredulous that this is being described as even remotely realistic.

[sveint]

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
but, like Alvaro says, for not railing units into Turin the turn after the invasion.

There was no turn after invasion. The screenshot you see is that turn with German units railed in.