Why do so many people play s the Germans?

Del · Post by **Del** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:37 am

I like playing the French in 1940. It's great fun to see the German player buy bunches of 88s in a vain attempt to stop the French tanks. Throw in the French Legion and the Germans don't have much of a chance, even with their wonderful 88s. French tanks coupled with French Legions makes for a potent combined arms force.

NateD · Post by **NateD** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:14 am

1. Those Matilda II's in the MC are impossible! I HATE them.

2. Tombstone, do you play Madden at all? I thought I might have recognized you from Madden Central.

3. I'm not sure why I like the Germans. I have just always used them. I guess I'm not good enough with tactics yet to use the USA or anyone else yet.

PS- The idea behind the MC is gonna make this game my favorite for a long time to come. I can't wait to see what theatre the guys use next!

Charles2222 · Post by **Charles2222** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:32 am

The install said Army Group South 1941.

Drex · Post by **Drex** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 5:29 am

Well I like to play the allies because I never have a problem getting games with all the guys who love to play the Germans! Let's face it, the Germans have the most interesting mix of equipment. They have a vehicle for every imaginable job and the permutations of the force you can dream up staggers the imagination. I don't blame the guys for picking the German side.

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:07 am

I tend to play the Aussies, the Brits, The Germans and the USMC. I've played as the Filipinos and the Spanish Republic. When I've done the MC, I'm going to try it as the Japanese.

troopie

DELTA32 · Post by **DELTA32** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:22 am

Originally posted by Drex:
Let's face it, the Germans have the most interesting mix of equipment. staggers the imagination. I don't blame the guys for picking the German side.

Hell Drex...you buy so much captured German equipment I don't understand why you just don't play the Wehrmacht !

Delta 3-2

RickJ · Post by **RickJ** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:25 am

It's the equipment!

Drex · Post by **Drex** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:26 am

Dan You've surfaced. I just said I play allies so I have no problem getting games. Why can't you read that?

Sscott1879 · Post by **Sscott1879** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:22 am

Its the gear!!! You get tired of Tigers taking out your Shermans before they are even in lethal range. Plus, I always loved to play Steel Panthers II Modern Battles and the Germans were at least 20-30 years ahead of their time in both the types of AVs they fielded and in the tactics in which those AVs were used. Our modern American MBT, combined arms warfare, and emphasis on fire and maneuver all have their roots in WWII Germany. You just can't fight a modern style battle with a Sherman M4. Just for the hell of it, I once customized my oobs creating a soupped up Pershing, a German style assault gun, and a gun toting half track and played as the Americans to get the feel of a German armoured force.

KG Erwin · Post by **KG Erwin** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 8:50 am

It's simple. The Germans had the coolest looking uniforms and weapons, and for the early part of WWII, they had the most advanced and flexible offensive tactical doctrine on the European continent. The problem, as was true in the war, is that the other guys started to figure them out. Nevertheless, I have always admired the Wehrmacht and I guess so has the US Army, when they adopted the Fritz helmets in the late 80s. The black berets of today, ha! Check out the early German Panzer berets. Now who are we emulating as far as dress is concerned? I have no problem with it, and given the US military's overall superiority in the world, it seems only appropriate. Also, don't forget that the best machine gun in the world is simply a copy of the old MG42. The best assault rifle? A mod of the StG44. In technology and appearance in weaponry, the Germans have led the world, and we are now adopting the best of what they had to offer.

BryanMelvin · Post by **BryanMelvin** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 9:02 am

I usually perfer to play the Allied side - the UK/Canadian forces are my favorite.

I enjoy the German forces but have noticed these flaws they have - AVF break down too often and Tanks MG (Main Gun)breaks down way too much.

In one game, I had 5 Panther D's - 3 out of 5 MG broke down after only firing about 2 to 4 shots apiece.

German 1944-45 regular Infantry Rifles seldom did any damage (this is in 5.1).

I do find the German side more challenging to play and I guess that is why I like playing from the German OOB once in a while.

oldrocky · Post by **oldrocky** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:02 am

Originally posted by Del:
I like playing the French in 1940. It's great fun to see the German player buy bunches of 88s in a vain attempt to stop the French tanks. Throw in the French Legion and the Germans don't have much of a chance, even with their wonderful 88s. French tanks coupled with French Legions makes for a potent combined arms force.

oldrocky · Post by **oldrocky** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 10:05 am

Originally posted by Del:
I like playing the French in 1940. It's great fun to see the German player buy bunches of 88s in a vain attempt to stop the French tanks. Throw in the French Legion and the Germans don't have much of a chance, even with their wonderful 88s. French tanks coupled with French Legions makes for a potent combined arms force.

"Pride goeth before the fall"

General Mayhem · Post by **General Mayhem** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 12:31 pm

Originally posted by Drex:
Well I like to play the allies because I never have a problem getting games with all the guys who love to play the Germans! Let's face it, the Germans have the most interesting mix of equipment. They have a vehicle for every imaginable job and the permutations of the force you can dream up staggers the imagination. I don't blame the guys for picking the German side.

Are you sure about that? I've got almost
opposite impression. To me it seems allies
had some much more intresting stuff.

German's had lot of diffrent tanks, but
I atleast get impression that both US
and British forces had much more everything
else. I also sort of like British troops as
they seem to have some good tanks towards
end of war, altough they miss HE/HEAT ammunition. What a drag!

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:09 pm

I'm afraid I'm a bit of a cynic.

I think people simply prefer to surround themselves with burning wrecks. This is much easier to do with a King Tiger than with a Sherman.

[Though it is quite interesting that the best of the German vehicles are the first to spring to mind whilst the Allied forces are always associated with their average/most common equipment. Who immediately associates the US Army with the Wolverine or the Perishing??].

It takes a serious player to take the weaker side, 'just for the challenge'!! Also not to mention how demoralising it is to have all the burning wrecks on your side, even if you are winning the game!!

(Hatches buttoned down. Incoming!!!!)

Reg.

[ June 25, 2001: Message edited by: Reg ]

mouse83 · Post by **mouse83** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 2:10 pm

The most important reason why I play with germans is their moral. I hate when my unit are retrearing or pinned. I like also German toy

But I like also play with Finnish group. It's great mix. Very good moral and bad weapons and tanks. It's much harder try destroy Russian KV-1 with T-26 than german Tiger. You even have to think how to destroy T-34. And Like it a lot

It's was little victory when my 37mm AT-gun destroyed KV-1...

AJH · Post by **AJH** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:45 pm

I agree with the first point...it is more entertaining to change history than to follow it. Also, the German Army, aside from its obvious political flaws, was a professional and superb fighting machine. While no one can espouse in any way what they fought for, one can admire the tenacity, inventiveness and intelligence of the German soldier. I think American military buffs have some sort of similar feeling for Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia, and I'm sure there are myriad other examples. Admiration of excellence, even if in a doomed or sinister cause. I also enjoy playing the British, and to some extent the Americans (great artillery, great Marines).

JTGEN · Post by **JTGEN** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:01 pm

Toys, toys, toys.

Well the Germans are one of my favorits. I like to play a lot of different battles exept Soviet vs Finns, cause I know I would beat the AI easily and we Finns can not loose to those damn Ryssäs.

I quess some people do not like to play Germans because they are Nazi's. Well hell they paid for their crimes and history can not be changed. I had that problem-in SP2, I could not play the Israelis (even though the Merkava's are so nice), cause they have newer been punished for their crimes, and I think playing and winning with them would have been "politically non correct".

sven · Post by **sven** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:07 pm

Originally posted by Reg:
I'm afraid I'm a bit of a cynic.

I think people simply prefer to surround themselves with burning wrecks. This is much easier to do with a King Tiger than with a Sherman.

[Though it is quite interesting that the best of the German vehicles are the first to spring to mind whilst the Allied forces are always associated with their average/most common equipment. Who immediately associates the US Army with the Wolverine or the Perishing??].

It takes a serious player to take the weaker side, 'just for the challenge'!! Also not to mention how demoralising it is to have all the burning wrecks on your side, even if you are winning the game!!

(Hatches buttoned down. Incoming!!!!)

Reg.

[ June 25, 2001: Message edited by: Reg ]

I do, but I am strange.

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:06 pm

Originally posted by Stuart Millis:
I too, like to play Italy. They have some neat toys too.
And against matildas, those 90mm AA guns are very useful.

But the Italian army is difficult to control especially when playing with Command and control set to 'on'. I have learned to lead from the rear so my officers can rally the men as they retreat.

I think that if the Italian had any real C&C they would have been a much more dangerous force in WWII. Rommel himself said that the Italian troops were good they just lacked training, modern equipment and leadership. Rough handicaps for any army.
You want to see how the AI handles the Italians just play the British against the Italians in 1940 (with realistic tanks forces), and see two Colonial armies going at it. All those little MG teams running around all over the place.