Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A)

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Alamander




The Aussies can put together some nice units of 105s pretty early in the game. I have hit these before at Moresby and elsewhere, causing me no end of trouble.

Set up a nice defense in the northern jungle of Burma with the 1st Burma, the Brit 18th, and the Aussie units to keep the trail to Lashio open as long as possible to funnel some select units into China. You should be able to retreat out of there without being cut off. The 1st Burma can play rear-guard once you decide to retreat. I'm not sure why more AFBs don't do this, but I am not very familiar with all the problems of playing the allies since I have never done it.

Looks like I can cobble together a pretty strong Chinese Expeditionary Force. The reinforcement cue of likely units. It would be nice to get some heavier AA...and at least the starting AA unit in Burma I hope will find its way there.

Never mind Kweiyang, you are pulling a real Greyjoy re-invention of the word queue! [:D]

Maybe he wants to play billyards or pool.

[Lowpe]

We aim to entertain![:D]

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

China starts with about 125k supply in bases with Chungking base suffering spoilage. Important to fix that day 1, and make sure the supplies go to stockpile bases with as little wastage as possible from transit...

Unnecessary concerns.

No supply spoilage wastage for first week of a scenario nor for supply transit between bases.

Alfred

[DesertWolf101]

Lowpe, can you clarify what you mean when you say that the Type 89A vehicles will be recycled? Does the game scrap vehicle pools after a time and turn them into heavy industry points or something along those lines?

Thanks!

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Festung Lashio is a pretty key point to my Burma Defense.[:)]

How do you plan to supply it when Rangoon is gone?

ORIGINAL: Alfred
No supply spoilage wastage for first week of a scenario nor for supply transit between bases.

Alfred

Woah, this one is new to me. Is it hardcoded for every scenario out there? Might explain some of the strange results in my spoilage tests

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101

Lowpe, can you clarify what you mean when you say that the Type 89A vehicles will be recycled? Does the game scrap vehicle pools after a time and turn them into heavy industry points or something along those lines?

Thanks!

It has been a long time since I looked at and monitored this. In my game against Tiemanj (Turnaround?) I actually tracked it. I think.[;)] I probably should re-read that AAR, and relearn all the things I forgot. So many excellent contributors to the AAR including Alfred, and developers chiming in on the air model, Japanese coastal forts. I just can't bring myself to do it, because with a few simple fixes I probably could have made it deep into 1945.

Basically the obsolete device goes back into the pool and at some point either gets automatically upgraded into the new device or broken down into HI. There is more to it than that, I think existing demand plays a factor and there is probably some kind of excess pool calculation that goes on...so the idea is to upgrade devices for Japan as quickly as you can if you are going to adopt the new device. It doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen. Some devices like the 40mm AA can be kept and produced the whole game by turning off upgrades on some units.

The Japanese production model is very well thought out, and you have enough control over it to do amazing things prioritizing Japanese device production as the very means of production burn to the ground all around you.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

China starts with about 125k supply in bases with Chungking base suffering spoilage. Important to fix that day 1, and make sure the supplies go to stockpile bases with as little wastage as possible from transit...

Unnecessary concerns.

No supply spoilage wastage for first week of a scenario nor for supply transit between bases.

Alfred

Quite interesting. Thank you.[&o]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Really good discussion here on some tips and tricks! Excellent so far

Of course, we are 4 pages into this AAR so far, and not a shot fired yet.....[:D]

Kind of worrying Japan according to emails. That we are on page 4 without a shot. I remember one AAR going like 17 pages before a shot fired though.

Be a bit disconcerting if Scout1 has to bow out. I don't know what his irl challenge is right now, but it cropped up after starting the game and is temporary, but his communications and excitement for the game seems undiminished and we are looking for a first turn sometime next week perhaps as early as the weekend.

There are so many unexplored options for the Allies to purse in 1941 and 1942...I feel that AFB's really have dropped the ball and too often resorted to conventional thinking and have let Japan get away with far too much. But perhaps I am not factoring in enough the starting situation: poor devices, poor leadership, poor morale and poor experience. I think I am though. Time will tell.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Festung Lashio is a pretty key point to my Burma Defense.[:)]

How do you plan to supply it when Rangoon is gone?

Hopefully supplies from Paoshan will filter there. The slightly better route is to air drop supplies into Bhamo or Lashio itself. Lashio is almost impossible to LRCAP to stop transports.

And in this new base happy game by AndyMac there is northwest Kachin Hills base. It is a dot, so can store up to 5K, and be released from stockpiling to feed adjacent Lashio with supply every now and then (I think it will send supplies 3 times a week). However, it also means the Festung might retreat there out of the game if it is a valid supply route...so extreme caution must be used lest it royally screw you. I want the festung units to either not retreat to retreat to Paoshan. Free Chinese units will of course go north.

Myitkyina needs to be held in a Festung manner too. Letting restricted troops protect India...India is a pretty good place to fight for the Allies in 1942. Like China, not an easy place, but a good place.

If Japan goes for an amphibious invasion of India, putting the KB in the Bay of Bengal, I will of course invade the Marianas & the Jimas no matter what I have to steam thru to get there. I will have some restricted units prepping for this from day 1 too.

[DesertWolf101]

If Japan goes for an amphibious invasion of India, putting the KB in the Bay of Bengal, I will of course invade the Marianas no matter what I have to steam thru to get there. I will have some restricted units prepping for this from day 1 too.

That's part of the reason why I am not planning to use the KB in my invasion of India.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101


That's part of the reason why I am not planning to use the KB in my invasion of India.

You have already done it, right?

[DesertWolf101]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101


That's part of the reason why I am not planning to use the KB in my invasion of India.

You have already done it, right?

It's happening right now and it is a very tense time for me. As you know I started the AAR when the game was already a few months in, but I am only a week or so behind with it now - been trying hard to catch up to the game time. Could be a defining moment for the rest of my campaign!

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: DesertWolf101


That's part of the reason why I am not planning to use the KB in my invasion of India.

You have already done it, right?

It's happening right now and it is a very tense time for me. As you know I started the AAR when the game was already a few months in, but I am only a week or so behind with it now - been trying hard to catch up to the game time. Could be a defining moment for the rest of my campaign!

It is a bold move in a scenario 1 game. Good luck!

[Lowpe]

In Andy's updated Scenario two, there is a ton of small light industry centers all over. It will be interesting to see how this turns out, especially in places like China, but even here in the Pacific it has game implications.

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: Alamander

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

But there isn't any artillery like that at game start, not sure what the reinforcement que looks like yet with plus 60 days it could be real hit or miss and there is a super narrow time frame of getting the troops there especially heavy devices.

The Aussies can put together some nice units of 105s pretty early in the game. I have hit these before at Moresby and elsewhere, causing me no end of trouble.

Set up a nice defense in the northern jungle of Burma with the 1st Burma, the Brit 18th, and the Aussie units to keep the trail to Lashio open as long as possible to funnel some select units into China. You should be able to retreat out of there without being cut off. The 1st Burma can play rear-guard once you decide to retreat. I'm not sure why more AFBs don't do this, but I am not very familiar with all the problems of playing the allies since I have never done it.

I think it depends how quickly the IJN sort out the DEI and the Philipines to be honest.

If he piles through that quickly, then priority has to be defending India, rather than defending Burma

But the huge plus point of the Japanese player attacking India is that he has to use the KB to cover it, and that gives you options everywhere else!

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: Alamander

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

But there isn't any artillery like that at game start, not sure what the reinforcement que looks like yet with plus 60 days it could be real hit or miss and there is a super narrow time frame of getting the troops there especially heavy devices.

The Aussies can put together some nice units of 105s pretty early in the game. I have hit these before at Moresby and elsewhere, causing me no end of trouble.

Set up a nice defense in the northern jungle of Burma with the 1st Burma, the Brit 18th, and the Aussie units to keep the trail to Lashio open as long as possible to funnel some select units into China. You should be able to retreat out of there without being cut off. The 1st Burma can play rear-guard once you decide to retreat. I'm not sure why more AFBs don't do this, but I am not very familiar with all the problems of playing the allies since I have never done it.

I think it depends how quickly the IJN sort out the DEI and the Philipines to be honest.

If he piles through that quickly, then priority has to be defending India, rather than defending Burma

But the huge plus point of the Japanese player attacking India is that he has to use the KB to cover it, and that gives you options everywhere else!

I agree, plus he needs to steam roll China.

Also, if the Allies fritter away the ABDA fleet in the SRA opening the door to India so to speak.

And the priority, numero uno for the Allies, is defending China...a lot of Burma and India and SRA and even Pacific strategies flow from that premise. At least in this game. It is the holistic zen Allied game plan![:D]

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Festung Lashio is a pretty key point to my Burma Defense.[:)]

How do you plan to supply it when Rangoon is gone?

Hopefully supplies from Paoshan will filter there. The slightly better route is to air drop supplies into Bhamo or Lashio itself. Lashio is almost impossible to LRCAP to stop transports.

...

If Japan goes for an amphibious invasion of India, putting the KB in the Bay of Bengal, I will of course invade the Marianas & the Jimas no matter what I have to steam thru to get there. I will have some restricted units prepping for this from day 1 too.

Why would you want to waste Chinese supply on Burma roads for India protection? In my book Burma is usually a lost cause and a place for delaying action at most to let mobile Chinese march into India. After that India is protected nicely from that direction by terrain and lack of supply on the Burma side, as well as RR fast reaction possibilities on the India side. Hardly any JFB ventures into India from here, they all choose amphibious route and for a good reason.
Edit: I remember some AARs where Allies overcommited to Burma defense only to be encircled a bit later by Calcutta landings and massacred.

IMO Japan is perfectly capable of letting you into Marianas in mid 42 and then isolating and squishing you in late 42 when they are back from Bengal. They still have a lot of time and a capable carrier arm, while you don't. Not to mention distances to home bases.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

How do you plan to supply it when Rangoon is gone?

Hopefully supplies from Paoshan will filter there. The slightly better route is to air drop supplies into Bhamo or Lashio itself. Lashio is almost impossible to LRCAP to stop transports.

...

If Japan goes for an amphibious invasion of India, putting the KB in the Bay of Bengal, I will of course invade the Marianas & the Jimas no matter what I have to steam thru to get there. I will have some restricted units prepping for this from day 1 too.

Why would you want to waste Chinese supply on Burma roads for India protection? In my book Burma is usually a lost cause and a place for delaying action at most to let mobile Chinese march into India. After that India is protected nicely from that direction by terrain and lack of supply on the Burma side, as well as RR fast reaction possibilities on the India side. Hardly any JFB ventures into India from here, they all choose amphibious route and for a good reason.
Edit: I remember some AARs where Allies overcommited to Burma defense only to be encircled a bit later by Calcutta landings and massacred.

IMO Japan is perfectly capable of letting you into Marianas in mid 42 and then isolating and squishing you in late 42 when they are back from Bengal. They still have a lot of time and a capable carrier arm, while you don't. Not to mention distances to home bases.

But the annoyance factor will be huge. Also the Japanese will not then be doing other things. Plus, a Japanese player might over react.

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: Alamander




The Aussies can put together some nice units of 105s pretty early in the game. I have hit these before at Moresby and elsewhere, causing me no end of trouble.

Set up a nice defense in the northern jungle of Burma with the 1st Burma, the Brit 18th, and the Aussie units to keep the trail to Lashio open as long as possible to funnel some select units into China. You should be able to retreat out of there without being cut off. The 1st Burma can play rear-guard once you decide to retreat. I'm not sure why more AFBs don't do this, but I am not very familiar with all the problems of playing the allies since I have never done it.

I think it depends how quickly the IJN sort out the DEI and the Philipines to be honest.

If he piles through that quickly, then priority has to be defending India, rather than defending Burma

But the huge plus point of the Japanese player attacking India is that he has to use the KB to cover it, and that gives you options everywhere else!

I agree, plus he needs to steam roll China.

Also, if the Allies fritter away the ABDA fleet in the SRA opening the door to India so to speak.

And the priority, numero uno for the Allies, is defending China...a lot of Burma and India and SRA and even Pacific strategies flow from that premise. At least in this game. It is the holistic zen Allied game plan![:D]

As I'm on the verge of losing Chungking in Nov 1942 in my game v Rader, I can heartily agree with this! [:)]

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

How do you plan to supply it when Rangoon is gone?

Hopefully supplies from Paoshan will filter there. The slightly better route is to air drop supplies into Bhamo or Lashio itself. Lashio is almost impossible to LRCAP to stop transports.

...

If Japan goes for an amphibious invasion of India, putting the KB in the Bay of Bengal, I will of course invade the Marianas & the Jimas no matter what I have to steam thru to get there. I will have some restricted units prepping for this from day 1 too.

Why would you want to waste Chinese supply on Burma roads for India protection? In my book Burma is usually a lost cause and a place for delaying action at most to let mobile Chinese march into India. After that India is protected nicely from that direction by terrain and lack of supply on the Burma side, as well as RR fast reaction possibilities on the India side. Hardly any JFB ventures into India from here, they all choose amphibious route and for a good reason.
Edit: I remember some AARs where Allies overcommited to Burma defense only to be encircled a bit later by Calcutta landings and massacred.

IMO Japan is perfectly capable of letting you into Marianas in mid 42 and then isolating and squishing you in late 42 when they are back from Bengal. They still have a lot of time and a capable carrier arm, while you don't. Not to mention distances to home bases.

Its a balance I think

I'm too cautius in my current game, because I was too aggressive in the game before that!

But it depends entirely in 1942 on what the Japanese player is aiming for.

If he's going for a 1942 win, then he's got to knock out China or Oz or India and sink the US carriers.

Surviving 1942 is the aim of all Allied players first and foremost I feel.