brianG v tyronec anatomy of disaster all welcome

[BrianG]

into the Tyronec mind. Here is his turn 2 south open.

[BrianG]

my first view of the south: I thought pocket secured

[BrianG]

and then up north, pskov line easily breached in force.

and my lost NW hq with no destroy button

[BrianG]

Since hq's could not be relocated at this point, and not destroyed it became paramount to try and figure out some HQ escape routes.

[BrianG]

This attack opened up a possible supply connection to all these trapped troops.

[BrianG]

I have put Vatutin in a very bad spot.

His recon tries to find a way out. He does not like to fly although that which would be the most sensible escape method.

[BrianG]

Escape realized.

Phew!

[BrianG]

I shove aside cav in the middle hoping to pressure or even cut German supply from the north

[BrianG]

turn2 final south

I have done my best to cut off the forward Germans.

I wish i had been able to seal the lower gap

[BrianG]

Final west Kiev. Good zoc pressure but still supplied.

[BrianG]

middle end. It looks ok. Minsk cut. i fall back

[BrianG]

pskov

i retreat. he could have moved around any forward units north or east towards Veliki

[BrianG]

my Leningrad defense.
Clearly an F -

[BrianG]

and this ditty;

92 mp to supply.

[chaos45]

One thing of note....once you open up the supply route to an HQ you can remove all the support units at least. As well disbanding forts that in useless positions gives you back alot of artillery/AT guns that help your new divisions rebuild much more quickly in the early game.

As well those 122mm howitzers in the fort units, you can build some artillery regiments to use them up.

To me you really have to min-max soviet play to have a chance for skilled German play, and each fort is about a divisions worth of heavy support weapons. Not to mention any support units you can save from the corps/army HQs encircled get to keep their experience, even though they are usually trashed strength wise its better than rebuilding destroyed units with 10-20s starting experience.

I really dont think they should have added in trapping and destroying HQs as it has alot of other implications on the game. Maybe make them take more losses when they re-locate or something would have been a better solution.

[BrianG]

as soon as i had supply i moved some art corp out, and forts i mostly destroyed.

I think its this over extended south push which needs to readjusted

I am (maybe incorrectly) that its best to start wearing down the german army as soon as possible.

[BrianG]

my first blunder, skillfully exploited by Tyronec

My retreat to odessa ran into mp bumps (MAYBE EVEN AN AIR INTERDICTION) Which left 1 of the forts just north of odessa empty.

And somehow Tryonec had 2 units with enough mp's to shatter that whole area. An area in which i usually do a decent job.

[BrianG]

open Gomel region

[BrianG]

open Leningrad

he seemed to be leap frogging tank corp so i was very worried about encirclement.

Pathetic russian defense

[BrianG]

cav with mp's



suicide cav to the supply rescue