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Yup, a few black walnut trees are down. The biggest issue is when I go out for a run there are all those big round walnut fruits laying all over the place. Great way to roll an ankle. I have noticed the tree removal trucks know what the good stuff is and pile the rest next to the road. I’ve got mostly evergreens including a giant Norwegian spruce . Those seem to bend before they break so I didn’t lose any trees on my property. Really early in hurricane season though

Back 60 years ago I don't recall anything on the news about hurricanes going as far north as New York. That seemed to start about twenty years ago - or maybe that is just TV news shows getting more extensive airing?

I remember a big hurricane hitting New Jersey in 85. It might have fizzled, but the lead up was non stop doom and gloom.
When it got to Massachusetts it knocked a tree onto my car. [:@]

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That was nothing compared to the blizzard of 78, though I think your car might not agree. But three weeks off school for snow days - priceless.
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How a hurricane mostly wiped out a New York city island in 1893:
Hog Island was the name of two islands near Long Island, New York until the 1890s. One is the present day Barnum Island, which includes the villages of Island Park and Harbor Isle in Nassau County. The other was a mile-long (1600 m) barrier island that existed to the south of Rockaway Beach in Queens before being mostly destroyed by the 1893 New York hurricane and completely lost to erosion and storm damage by 1902.
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A winter storm in early 1893 severely damaged the island.[3][4] In late August 1893, several hurricanes were simultaneously active in the Atlantic Ocean. On August 22, 1893 strong waves covered Hog Island and reduced its size but left it generally intact, though accounts conflict on the level of damage.[3][5]

The following evening, overnight, a devastating hurricane made landfall in New York City, lasting from about 8:00 PM Wednesday to 8:00 AM on Thursday.[6] 30 foot (9m) waves were reported at Coney Island as far as 200 yards (180 m) inland, destroying the elevated railroad there, and the East River crested the sea wall in the Astoria district; waist-high water was reported in the streets of the City of Brooklyn.)[7]
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The city of New York has averaged a major hurricane approximately every 70 to 80 years throughout its history. It was predicted in 2005 that if the city were to be directly hit by another hurricane of the intensity of the one in 1893, which destroyed Hog Island, the damage was likely to be enormous.[10] In 2012, the effects of Hurricane Sandy in New York were very destructive but was not a worst-case scenario, especially in terms of wind. A landfalling Category 3 or higher would prove to be far more destructive.

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Yup, a few black walnut trees are down. The biggest issue is when I go out for a run there are all those big round walnut fruits laying all over the place. Great way to roll an ankle. I have noticed the tree removal trucks know what the good stuff is and pile the rest next to the road. I’ve got mostly evergreens including a giant Norwegian spruce . Those seem to bend before they break so I didn’t lose any trees on my property. Really early in hurricane season though
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Walnut? Contact furniture makers for those. Especially if it is Black Walnut.
Back 60 years ago I don't recall anything on the news about hurricanes going as far north as New York. That seemed to start about twenty years ago - or maybe that is just TV news shows getting more extensive airing?

There was a big one that hit the Northeast in the 1930's that the states could not handle the recovery. There were houses floating out to sea. That is when the highly quick and efficient US Federal Government got involved . . . [:(]

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Back 60 years ago I don't recall anything on the news about hurricanes going as far north as New York. That seemed to start about twenty years ago - or maybe that is just TV news shows getting more extensive airing?

No, we got 'em. Not too often, same now.

Earliest I can remember one was when I lived in Brooklyn, dad had to go out and help a neighbor in the middle of the storm. I was no more than 6 or 7. We move out to LI when I was 8.
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When it got to Massachusetts it knocked a tree onto my car.

Gloria.

Yeah, but Gloria broke up when it made landfall. Went to move some debris to a safer place during the eye, which passed right over us, and the second part of the storm just fizzled. Longest storm for power loss for me, 4.5 days.
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That was nothing compared to the blizzard of 78, though I think your car might not agree. But three weeks off school for snow days - priceless.

Was stationed at Ft. Devens at the time. Don't think I saw my car for a week. They actually closed the base for four days.
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There was a big one that hit the Northeast in the 1930's that the states could not handle the recovery.

Yeah, '38 IIRC. Wasn't around for that one.[:D]

Slammed RI pretty though.
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My Dad was still working construction at the time but he also plowed. He was clearing a parking lot and literally scooped up a VW bug and dropped it in a dump truck. He was driving a payloader, not a 'normal' plow. He had been at it for something like 36 hours so I give him a pass on the mistake.

Due to winds and drifting we had about 8 feet of snow in front of the entrance to the house. rather that trying to clear it all I dug a tunnel. Kinda cool in hindsight.

But it was the first time I aw AF cargo planes in my life. They flew in vitals to Logan for weeks and flew right over the house.
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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

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Natural gas, water, and sewage is underground. Here the electric, telephone landline, and cable is above ground. In the country, the fibre optic cables are underground but the power lines are above ground.
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He was clearing a parking lot and literally scooped up a VW bug and dropped it in a dump truck.

Yeah, its why I didn't see my car for about a week. I was in a long two lane lot between the gym and our PX annex across from the company parking lot. All the cars were covered with snow and the plow drivers would not go in for fear of hitting a car. So you had to wait until the first car got dug out by its owner, to get to the second, and so on 'til yours came up.
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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States

Problem here is that our water table on LI is too high and that adds a whole other set of trouble. Heck, if you dig down four feet in my backyard, your in water. No built in pool for me.[:D]
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Back 60 years ago I don't recall anything on the news about hurricanes going as far north as New York. That seemed to start about twenty years ago - or maybe that is just TV news shows getting more extensive airing?
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It's not unusual for the remnants of them to get to New York. The Carolina's stick out and as they sweep up from Florida the usually make landfall in North or South Carolina and that usually knocks them down to a tropical storm, which is what happened here. This one moved faster than most and had high winds for only a couple of hours but it was enough. I'm on Long Island which is mostly just a giant sand bar so the shore line faces right into these things. The same corrupt power company continues to fail to trim trees and provide a good response to these things. They will apologize, their will be an investigation, fault will be found, the State will make them reform, the will change their name (Lilco, LIPA and now PSE&G), the will keep the same management , in the same buildings, and it will all happen again. Gloria was the worst, came right over the middle of the island like a 300 mile wide tornado, Sandy was bad and now this. Problem is it used to be rural (North Shore where I live is still fairly rural) but now its think suburbs and they never put the wires under ground. So this will continue to happen. Yes, we are getting more of these and they are getting bigger and it rarely snows much anymore so the climate has changed quite a bit in the last 30 years or so. We are now in a different agriculture zone and the bird migrations oar are a bit different. We get some species from further south and many northern species stopped migrating completely. We also get some arctic waterfowl that stay here because the water rarely freezes over
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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States

Problem here is that our water table on LI is too high and that adds a whole other set of trouble. Heck, if you dig down four feet in my backyard, your in water. No built in pool for me.[:D]
I'm way up on the North Shore which is exactly where the last glaciers stopped. So we are all rocks and gravel. I put a shovel in the ground I hit a rock. That's why there were never any farms on the north shore right up to Port Jeff. You can't clear the ground to even make a decent field. Just rocks and trees. My fired is down in Bluepoint and he is just sand. They can sink a telephone-pole with 2 guys and a shovel, here you need to drill. It's so strange. the glacial moraine is only a couple of miles wide. 2 miles south it is just sand
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Natural gas, water, and sewage is underground. Here the electric, telephone landline, and cable is above ground. In the country, the fibre optic cables are underground but the power lines are above ground.
It used to be much more rural here. Turned into the suburbs in the last 50 years. it never made sense to put the lines underground but now it does. It's expensive but if they did 5% a year we would be done in 20 years. Sometimes I believe we have stopped thinking about the next generation and only do what immediately gratifies. I think it is time to fire up the WPA again
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Even just have a thread with trees and such. Or post them on someone else's AAR.
Oh trees I got......Here is a 200+ year old 6 foot diameter Oak tree that took out my power for a good part of last week. The tree crews say they need to get one of those "west of the Mississippi" chain saws to start cutting this one up. This is a thick tree. Could make some beautiful cabinets out of it. Trees and power lines were down all over the place. Still lots of folks with their power out. Mostly large old oak , maple and walnut. All good hardwood. Time to start working on the winter woodpile

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You mean... lifetime lumber pile?

Are you going to have this one cut up for lumber or anything like that? You mentioned cabinets...
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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

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I asked this once, way back when facebook was... different. When it was limited to just students. Anyway, someone I knew who turned out to be an engineer told me why we don't just have everything underground: it's more expensive to install and more expensive to fix when something goes wrong. So basically it only makes sense in fairly dense urban areas or other places where you might already have easier access to the underground conduits (e.g., it's running through buildings or large storm sewers or subway lines, etc.).
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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

Cheers,
CB

I asked this once, way back when facebook was... different. When it was limited to just students. Anyway, someone I knew who turned out to be an engineer told me why we don't just have everything underground: it's more expensive to install and more expensive to fix when something goes wrong. So basically it only makes sense in fairly dense urban areas or other places where you might already have easier access to the underground conduits (e.g., it's running through buildings or large storm sewers or subway lines, etc.).

Especially when just inches underground it is granite bedrock.
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Even just have a thread with trees and such. Or post them on someone else's AAR.
Oh trees I got......Here is a 200+ year old 6 foot diameter Oak tree that took out my power for a good part of last week. The tree crews say they need to get one of those "west of the Mississippi" chain saws to start cutting this one up. This is a thick tree. Could make some beautiful cabinets out of it. Trees and power lines were down all over the place. Still lots of folks with their power out. Mostly large old oak , maple and walnut. All good hardwood. Time to start working on the winter woodpile

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You mean... lifetime lumber pile?

Are you going to have this one cut up for lumber or anything like that? You mentioned cabinets...
No, I'm good, This one, thankfully, is not on my property. I think my Village is on the hook for removing it. They cleared every other street but I don't think they have the equipment for this one. I am sitting next to the window waiting for whatever crew is going to take this one away. I wouldn't know where to start but I really want to see a cross section and try and count the rings. My current wood pile is fine. I have about half a cord that is now at the "use it or lose it" stage so I'll just top it off with some east stuff from around the neighborhood.
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