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I can actually get a fair bit of troops here...not enough to stop a multiple division landing, but if he is trying to grab something on the cheap, well then yes.

To defend Socotra I probably need 1 division+, 1 armor+, 2 AA, 2 Engineers, CD guns, ART+, mines, supply and forts 4+. Even then he would see it, and take it, but it would take a month or maybe longer. I certainly can't defend all four bases that strongly.

The problem is, with the amphib bonus he can pick and chose where to land, he will bring oilers and AKEs, he will have naval superiority.

The size 2 runway at Socotra can do nothing against the KB, will get bombarded by his cruisers, who will then reload at a dot base from AKEs.

So, without Naval Superiority, at least for a little bit, it seems pointless to attempt a defense here.

But to give him Socotra seems it might be giving him India and the game. And IF I hold Socotra, he merely takes Masirah.

It seems the best defense is to have outstanding naval search and hit his long supply line, looking to hit cargo ships etc carrying whatever.

Meanwhile the USN in the Pacific is looking to harvest VPs at Hokkaido/Honshu/wherever since the obvious weak point is that the IJN will be here and not in the Pacific...but how can I bleed him there to gain enough points? I have some ideas, but no confidence in them as of yet.

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The more I think about it, the more confident I am that he is coming here with everything he can muster as fast as he can.
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Your ships on the purple arrow, especially if severely damaged, could retreat off map and incur no further damage until they make it to port where they should disband. Think of disbanding damaged ships into Cape Town for the shipyard. Thence even to the East Coast . . .
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I think the only solution is to use the American Carriers to aid in the Thundering herd escape...and then with four CVs, to start a Kurile Invasion and strategic bombing of Honshu. This early, there really is no defense to 4E night bombing. Even the Carriers can fly strategic night bombing missions.

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I can actually get a fair bit of troops here...not enough to stop a multiple division landing, but if he is trying to grab something on the cheap, well then yes.

To defend Socotra I probably need 1 division+, 1 armor+, 2 AA, 2 Engineers, CD guns, ART+, mines, supply and forts 4+. Even then he would see it, and take it, but it would take a month or maybe longer. I certainly can't defend all four bases that strongly.

The problem is, with the amphib bonus he can pick and chose where to land, he will bring oilers and AKEs, he will have naval superiority.

The size 2 runway at Socotra can do nothing against the KB, will get bombarded by his cruisers, who will then reload at a dot base from AKEs.

So, without Naval Superiority, at least for a little bit, it seems pointless to attempt a defense here.

But to give him Socotra seems it might be giving him India and the game. And IF I hold Socotra, he merely takes Masirah.

It seems the best defense is to have outstanding naval search and hit his long supply line, looking to hit cargo ships etc carrying whatever.

Meanwhile the USN in the Pacific is looking to harvest VPs at Hokkaido/Honshu/wherever since the obvious weak point is that the IJN will be here and not in the Pacific...but how can I bleed him there to gain enough points? I have some ideas, but no confidence in them as of yet.

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The more I think about it, the more confident I am that he is coming here with everything he can muster as fast as he can.

If so, then I would build up bases in Alaska and the Aleutians, and haul in lots fuel and lots of supplies. At least it should be quicker than sending it to SoPac or beyond. Then Oldendorf can have a bunch of battleships to play with. Bombard bases on the Home Islands with production and manpower both if possible. That could gain VPs and if you have some of the Kuriles for Naval Search and tankers and AKEs/AEs/ADs in port, you can keep threatening his production.
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Why attempt to guess the exact Japanese landing spot. The chance of guessing wrong is high and even if guessed right not having the internal lines you are always going to be chasing the ball. I wouldn't be wasting time sending major American reinforcements to India. Nor even raiding the north Pacific.

Let Japan waste precious fuel with sealing off India and then committing valuable assets to capturing India. Or moving to Perth. It is all very poor strategy whilst Luzon remains firmly in Allied hands, ditto Singapore, ditto most of DEI.

Whilst this poor strategy is being pursued, make Japan really suffer. Capture the Marianas and reinforce Luzon. See how far Japan profits if it can't ship those raw materials back home. In far less time than it will take to ship American units to India, they could be landing on Luzon, Guam, Saipan etc.


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Then Oldendorf can have a bunch of battleships to play with.

This early, using the slow BBs is just giving Japan victory points, they are so vulnerable to night attacks, especially by Iboats.

It is going to take prep for a bunch of bases, grabbing the easiest and countering his subs, betties and nells and zeroes. It won't be easy...early CAP traps will be key, as will running away at the right point.

But yes, today we are marshalling 90% of the USN to operations against the Kuriles all the way to Kunashiri and Shikotan.

I have add that I have never ever predicted what my opponent was going to do with any degree of accuracy in the short term. Longer term I have done ok...still, I think if he goes Oz, I can recover, If he goes Burma, I can recover, if he goes Socotra I need to do Kuriles plus.

I still plan on pushing everywhere the KB isn't...

4 Carriers in 2 weeks, 5 carriers in 74 days...plus everything I can pump into India now and prepare to hit his supply lines.

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Why attempt to guess the exact Japanese landing spot. The chance of guessing wrong is high and even if guessed right not having the internal lines you are always going to be chasing the ball. I wouldn't be wasting time sending major American reinforcements to India. Nor even raiding the north Pacific.

Let Japan waste precious fuel with sealing off India and then committing valuable assets to capturing India. Or moving to Perth. It is all very poor strategy whilst Luzon remains firmly in Allied hands, ditto Singapore, ditto most of DEI.

Whilst this poor strategy is being pursued, make Japan really suffer. Capture the Marianas and reinforce Luzon. See how far Japan profits if it can't ship those raw materials back home. In far less time than it will take to ship American units to India, they could be landing on Luzon, Guam, Saipan etc.


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Ok, I am totally stripping Ceylon now...I think an invasion here is likely in less than two weeks.[X(]

I think I have taken Ceylon with as little as three divisions in mid 42...just can't hold it, can't risk letting Japan get all the fuel and supplies...so if I could burn the docks and salt the earth I would do it.
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If you can't control the sea, then Ceylon is untenable. I too would totally bail ...
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I can actually get a fair bit of troops here...not enough to stop a multiple division landing, but if he is trying to grab something on the cheap, well then yes.

To defend Socotra I probably need 1 division+, 1 armor+, 2 AA, 2 Engineers, CD guns, ART+, mines, supply and forts 4+. Even then he would see it, and take it, but it would take a month or maybe longer. I certainly can't defend all four bases that strongly.

The problem is, with the amphib bonus he can pick and chose where to land, he will bring oilers and AKEs, he will have naval superiority.

The size 2 runway at Socotra can do nothing against the KB, will get bombarded by his cruisers, who will then reload at a dot base from AKEs.

So, without Naval Superiority, at least for a little bit, it seems pointless to attempt a defense here.

But to give him Socotra seems it might be giving him India and the game. And IF I hold Socotra, he merely takes Masirah.


The more I think about it, the more confident I am that he is coming here with everything he can muster as fast as he can.
Truthfully, he take either or both at his will. BUT, these are WAY out of his SLOC. It hampers reinforcements to India, but hardly cuts the cord entirely. Single ships can always slip through. Karachi/Bombay are tough nuts to crack due to distance, taking them early needs the KB which in turns creates a huge vulnerability at Hokkaido. If he is going to India this early, he can't have much force at all in Hokkaido.
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Why attempt to guess the exact Japanese landing spot. The chance of guessing wrong is high and even if guessed right not having the internal lines you are always going to be chasing the ball. I wouldn't be wasting time sending major American reinforcements to India. Nor even raiding the north Pacific.

Let Japan waste precious fuel with sealing off India and then committing valuable assets to capturing India. Or moving to Perth. It is all very poor strategy whilst Luzon remains firmly in Allied hands, ditto Singapore, ditto most of DEI.

Whilst this poor strategy is being pursued, make Japan really suffer. Capture the Marianas and reinforce Luzon. See how far Japan profits if it can't ship those raw materials back home. In far less time than it will take to ship American units to India, they could be landing on Luzon, Guam, Saipan etc.


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Oh, man. Cats out of the bag! Invasion Marianas in about three to five days.
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M-M is right about shipping from LA to Panama to Cape Town...they need to be free units.[:(]

So I need to calculate out what my PP future usage will be needed as American troops arrive in Cape Town and be prepared.

Here is a list of troops at sea...headed to Suva is the American 34th Rgt & friends off Hawaii...the British off map reinforcements don't show up on this list.

In two days at most, I need to start allocating Catalina squadrons to tracking the India/Oz invasion from the Java area..which means they can't do naval strike or transport troops.

Big priority though will be air lifting out the HQc III Indian Corp from Malaya to India....it can really add to the defense, but where? Calcutta? Bombay? Madras? Viz?



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The two critical bases to keep in India are Bombay and Karachi. They are close enough to Aden to receive reinforcements and have some industry. They are also spawning bases.
Note that the British units arriving at Aden are all assigned to unrestricted HQs - no PP required.
I don't think you can hold any of the islands west of India until you have lots of aircraft to defend against KB and threaten it with bombers - especially TBs. Beaufighters are your friend!

The British fleet should be held where it can dodge off-map when KB comes calling, unless you intend to get the withdrawing ships sunk. The British fleet can deliver a nasty bite if Japan has weakly escorted convoys but it cannot compete with KB or strong LBA. US air power is the filler they need.

And don't discount the Indian units - if you get enough supply into India for the units to fill out their TOE, they gain morale and experience much more quickly than when they are start-up fragments. I think support squads are important for this.

After a couple of months of game play, you should be able to reshuffle the garrisons - putting minimum AV units in each base to free up larger AV units - to create a fighting force from the best units. Key equipment will be AA guns and A/T guns.
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Then Oldendorf can have a bunch of battleships to play with.

This early, using the slow BBs is just giving Japan victory points, they are so vulnerable to night attacks, especially by Iboats.

It is going to take prep for a bunch of bases, grabbing the easiest and countering his subs, betties and nells and zeroes. It won't be easy...early CAP traps will be key, as will running away at the right point.

But yes, today we are marshalling 90% of the USN to operations against the Kuriles all the way to Kunashiri and Shikotan.

I have add that I have never ever predicted what my opponent was going to do with any degree of accuracy in the short term. Longer term I have done ok...still, I think if he goes Oz, I can recover, If he goes Burma, I can recover, if he goes Socotra I need to do Kuriles plus.

I still plan on pushing everywhere the KB isn't...

4 Carriers in 2 weeks, 5 carriers in 74 days...plus everything I can pump into India now and prepare to hit his supply lines.

If he is going for India, his navy will be out of position for Hokkaido bombardments, his I-boats may be elsewhere, his air units will be busy in the Central Pacific with what you are doing, his ground reserves should be shifting to counter your Central Pacific moves. So you can move supplies north, which you would do anyway, and some units as well. If one of those is a paratroop unit, then they need no prep to grab a base - especially if it is undefended. Think of having Kingfishers and Torpedo Cats to attack cargo ships in the area.

Check the line for the North Pacific Winter Weather so you can retreat the battleships there which could severely dampen his air response. Up there at this time, the weather would be your friend. You could move in, not be seen, then bombard a base or two. Then move out. If you do not see any decrease in air activity elsewhere, then you could presume that the only air units that may be redirected would be his trainees.

If you move in subs first, they will give you an idea of his Naval Search range plus any ASW TFs in that area. If you also send in DDs to sink the ASW TFs, that will help your submarine efforts. Any cargo TFs that they can sink will be a bonus for you.
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Dec 16th, 1941

Marblehead is intercepted, but manages to break off. It was a close in fight exacerbating all the early USN weaknesses and multiplying IJN strengths...so if she can escape from this it is a big win.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Singkawang at 56,88, Range 4,000 Yards

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CA Ashigara
TB Hiyodori
TB Hayabusa

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CL Marblehead, Shell hits 3, on fire
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DD Bulmer
DD Stewart
DD Paul Jones
DD Parrott

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Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 4,000 yards
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Dutch subs are thick in this area...my experience is once this fuel laden ships start to burn, nothing can save them until they are out of fuel in the holds.

Later in the day, the Dutch put another sub into her and the previously hit merchantman.[:)]

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Over China, the Flying Tigers sweep...



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Interesting!

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The tip of the spear!

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The Spear!



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China -- just noticed the IJA troops near Pingsiang have started moving west. Interesting.

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