French partisan

[MagicMissile]

Just checking and it might be known but there is French partisan unit. I have never seen one before and I cant seem to attack it nor does it reveal any strength factors. Might be a bug I guess?

/MM

[malkarma]

Harrybanana, ncc1701e and I also suspects that is a bug. I have a screencshoot of an UK partisan. Also we noticed that if the partisan reconquest a city he despawns, causing the "France Surrenders" message at the end of turn.

[AlvaroSousa]

Keep an eye on that. France and VF have scorched earth turned off and VF has no partisans. So none should appear just like in other countries. I'll check on my end.

[AlvaroSousa]

It does appear, I just tested it. Wonder if I changed the rules and forgot?!?!

[AlvaroSousa]

Page 45 1.00.08 rulebook

Partisans — Each country has a partisan value. Partisans turn rail into damaged rail and only affect countries in which their owned territory is now occupied by a country they are at war with. Any unit protects vs partisans in their own hex. Any land unit will protect vs partisans in their hex and the surrounding 6 hexes. Major powers or countries with scorched earth will generate partisan units in addition to damaging rail hexes and production. Partisans may not use landing craft. Partisans units can’t spawn if within 5 hexes of an enemy land unit.

[malkarma]

Ok, then they are WAD...now the question about the "France Surrenders". AFAIK Metz is a supply source for french units (10 production city center), so if any kind of allied unit land there it should be automatically in supply during the interphase. However It happenned to me at least twice in different games that the partisan unit that recover Metz dissapear during the interphase and the control reverts to the german, thus creating the surrender message.
Any clue why this happens?

[MagicMissile]

The problem is that the unit remains hidden even if a axis unit is next to it and I cannot attack it so something seems off [:)].

/MM

[AlvaroSousa]

I'll run it again on my end so I can see what is happening.

[Harrybanana]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

Page 45 1.00.08 rulebook

Partisans — Each country has a partisan value. Partisans turn rail into damaged rail and only affect countries in which their owned territory is now occupied by a country they are at war with. Any unit protects vs partisans in their own hex. Any land unit will protect vs partisans in their hex and the surrounding 6 hexes. Major powers or countries with scorched earth will generate partisan units in addition to damaging rail hexes and production. Partisans may not use landing craft. Partisans units can’t spawn if within 5 hexes of an enemy land unit.

But as you said France (and the UK) are not "Major Powers or countries with scorched earth". Therefore they should not generate partisan units. So this is not WAD, unless you changed them into scorched earth major powers; did you?

[malkarma]

France and the UK definittely are major powers (like Italy or USA). The scorched earth part was intended for the minor countries .
Actually we can define this 4 kind of countries:
1) Major Powers with Scorched Earth rules (Germany and the URSS, for example). Can spawn partisan units, need to repair railroads.
2) Major Powers without Scorched Earth rules (UK and France, for example). Can spawn partisan units, no need to repair railroads.
3) Minor Countries with Scorched Earth rules (Spain, for example). Can spawn partisan units, need to repair railroads.
4) Minor Countries without Scorched Earth rules (Belgium, for example). Can't spawn partisan units, no need to repair railroads.


Alvaro can correct me if I'm wrong.

[AlvaroSousa]

That seems accurate.

[AlvaroSousa]

I tested this and it works correctly.

Did Italy NOT DOW on France? And thus why they can't attack or occupy?

[Harrybanana]

Alvaro,

So just to be absolutely clear, can you confirm that it was always intended that France and the UK spawn partisan units but this wasn't working so you fixed it.

[AlvaroSousa]

This was a rule change that was made when players were working out what is fair for partisans.

The original rule was only the USSR had land based partisans that didn't spawn next to a unit. Rail damage doesn't hit next to a unit either.
Players felt like they were playing whack-a-mole.

So we changed the rules so partisans don't spawn within 5 hexes of a unit and kept the rail damage rule the same. I also added that ALL major powers spawn partisans because players were not properly garrisoning locations because rail damage didn't matter much to them. Minors with scorched earth do spawn partisans also.

This is the way...