How to track unit Integrity

The sequel of the legendary wargame with a complete graphics and interface overhaul, major new gameplay and design features such as full naval combat modelling, improved supply handling, numerous increases to scenario parameters to better support large scenarios, and integrated PBEM++.
User avatar
Lobster
Posts: 5582
Joined: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:12 pm
Location: Third rock from the Sun.

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by Lobster »

TOAW also has a limit to how many units a formation can contain. When a division is broken down into it's constituent battalions it could well exceed that limit. So that forces the scenario designer to put each regiment into it's own formation. There is no method to highlight units in different formations that themselves are part of a larger formation.
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)

If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
User avatar
carll11
Posts: 955
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:07 pm

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by carll11 »

To Curtis and Lobster;

I see, so taking into account divs, regts as separate formations AND especially Lobsters comment, re; reformations in formations.....

Q- how does that effect(affect) for example command and control. Arty support, supply? A formation inside another formation, but really, a 'separate' formation?
Can it/they, the 9 bns of the 3 regts, each their own 'formation' but nested under the parent Div., make the same claims on all the Div. assets?

A game example; After playing 18 turns of this scenario, I was so frustrated at a complete lack of Vietnamese Div. arty support I started watching and playing both sides.

C&C is 'On'.

The Chinese army/Div's seem to get 90% of the possible arty sppt. in every defensive possibility and they have many of their units way back at the extent of their range.

The viets? Ive seen turns when they got, from a sampling of 20 possibilities maybe 3-4 units to fire....no exaggeration. Yes they are in supply, and in C&C, within 7-8 hexes, (what are the command radius's btw? )

I even clumped all of the Div. arty into and around its div HQ,( not tactically smart and unplayable really) the number of units firing didn't change appreciably, maybe a small bump in defensive fires per unit chance.


User avatar
rhinobones
Posts: 2224
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2002 10:00 am

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by rhinobones »

ORIGINAL: carll11

The Chinese army/Div's seem to get 90% of the possible arty sppt. in every defensive possibility and they have many of their units way back at the extent of their range.

The viets? Ive seen turns when they got, from a sampling of 20 possibilities maybe 3-4 units to fire....no exaggeration. Yes they are in supply, and in C&C, within 7-8 hexes, (what are the command radius's btw? )

Take a look at the Force Communication settings. Per 8.4.1.10 this plays a part in whether artillery will support.

Regards

Colin Wright:
Pre Combat Air Strikes # 64 . . . I need have no concern about keeping it civil

Post by broccolini » Sun Nov 06, 2022
. . . no-one needs apologize for douchebags acting like douchebags
User avatar
carll11
Posts: 955
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:07 pm

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by carll11 »

ORIGINAL: rhinobones

ORIGINAL: carll11

The Chinese army/Div's seem to get 90% of the possible arty sppt. in every defensive possibility and they have many of their units way back at the extent of their range.

The viets? Ive seen turns when they got, from a sampling of 20 possibilities maybe 3-4 units to fire....no exaggeration. Yes they are in supply, and in C&C, within 7-8 hexes, (what are the command radius's btw? )

Take a look at the Force Communication settings. Per 8.4.1.10 this plays a part in whether artillery will support.

Regards



Thank you RB....the elec. sppt. for both forces is 33, the Force Commo. is 100.
User avatar
Curtis Lemay
Posts: 15299
Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:12 pm
Location: Houston, TX

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by Curtis Lemay »

ORIGINAL: carll11

To Curtis and Lobster;

I see, so taking into account divs, regts as separate formations AND especially Lobsters comment, re; reformations in formations.....

Q- how does that effect(affect) for example command and control. Arty support, supply? A formation inside another formation, but really, a 'separate' formation?
Can it/they, the 9 bns of the 3 regts, each their own 'formation' but nested under the parent Div., make the same claims on all the Div. assets?

A game example; After playing 18 turns of this scenario, I was so frustrated at a complete lack of Vietnamese Div. arty support I started watching and playing both sides.

C&C is 'On'.

The Chinese army/Div's seem to get 90% of the possible arty sppt. in every defensive possibility and they have many of their units way back at the extent of their range.

The viets? Ive seen turns when they got, from a sampling of 20 possibilities maybe 3-4 units to fire....no exaggeration. Yes they are in supply, and in C&C, within 7-8 hexes, (what are the command radius's btw? )

I even clumped all of the Div. arty into and around its div HQ,( not tactically smart and unplayable really) the number of units firing didn't change appreciably, maybe a small bump in defensive fires per unit chance.

Make sure they are in a deployment that allows them to support: Dug-in or reserve.
My TOAW web site:

Bob Cross's TOAW Site
User avatar
carll11
Posts: 955
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:07 pm

RE: How to track unit Integrity

Post by carll11 »

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: carll11

To Curtis and Lobster;

I see, so taking into account divs, regts as separate formations AND especially Lobsters comment, re; reformations in formations.....

Q- how does that effect(affect) for example command and control. Arty support, supply? A formation inside another formation, but really, a 'separate' formation?
Can it/they, the 9 bns of the 3 regts, each their own 'formation' but nested under the parent Div., make the same claims on all the Div. assets?

A game example; After playing 18 turns of this scenario, I was so frustrated at a complete lack of Vietnamese Div. arty support I started watching and playing both sides.

C&C is 'On'.

The Chinese army/Div's seem to get 90% of the possible arty sppt. in every defensive possibility and they have many of their units way back at the extent of their range.

The viets? Ive seen turns when they got, from a sampling of 20 possibilities maybe 3-4 units to fire....no exaggeration. Yes they are in supply, and in C&C, within 7-8 hexes, (what are the command radius's btw? )

I even clumped all of the Div. arty into and around its div HQ,( not tactically smart and unplayable really) the number of units firing didn't change appreciably, maybe a small bump in defensive fires per unit chance.

Make sure they are in a deployment that allows them to support: Dug-in or reserve.


roger that, Dug in or T...
Post Reply

Return to “The Operational Art of War IV”