OT: F-35 Performance downgraded (I told you so edition)

[fcooke]

MM - like I said before, I know a little bit about software. There really is no such thing as AI YET. There are scripted bits of of code (much like AE). But no computer on the planet can actually 'think'. The IBM chess monster was designed to play chess. Do you really think software can sort out everything going on in air combat situation?

If so, I can suggest some stock purchases. But I am not registered, so your mileage may vary.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

I copy these cause they mirror my opinion, so I safe also time writing it out myself
You disagree fine, but the issue is not relevant for the topic anyway: The F-35 has a cannon[:'(]

Btw, I wonder where is your gospel coming from when every major airforce disagrees with you (they have guns in almost all of their fighters)

Care to point out where I said that cannons were a bad idea?

ORIGINAL: fcooke

MM - like I said before, I know a little bit about software. There really is no such thing as AI YET. There are scripted bits of of code (much like AE). But no computer on the planet can actually 'think'. The IBM chess monster was designed to play chess. Do you really think software can sort out everything going on in air combat situation?

If so, I can suggest some stock purchases. But I am not registered, so your mileage may vary.

Your knowledge of software is obviously limited if you think that. There absolutely is AI in the same space as what we're discussing. The most high-profile currently would likely be the autopilot technology developed by Tesla.

Again, that was built using machine learning, so also wrong on it being scripted lines of code.

It absolutely is possible for software to sort out everything going on in air combat simulation, the USAF are hoping to test it next year

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-t ... man-pilot/

[fcooke]

If you think AI is ready to go then my understanding of software might be a bit better than yours. And it is scripted. Machines don't learn yet. They recognize patterns - not the same thing as learning. And Tesla tech has resulted in more than one death. And I will put up my understanding of software against yours any day or time.

And in general you may want to learn to be less condescending. It might help you in life overall.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

If you think AI is ready to go then my understanding of software might be a bit better than yours.

I don't recall claiming that AI is ready to go, but evidently the USAF are looking towards the testing stage (and IIRC already using it in certain drones.

And it is scripted. Machines don't learn yet. They recognize patterns - not the same thing as learning. And Tesla tech has resulted in more than one death. And I will put up my understanding of software against yours any day or time.

In which case I'd love it if you could explain to me how machine learning works.

And in general you may want to learn to be less condescending. It might help you in life overall.

I'm just fine, thank you for your concern

[fcooke]

Well, in the interest of civility on the forum I am getting out of this this conversation. If you want to debate further you can mail me. You do have an interesting habit of twisting history and what you said or alluded to.

Just saying.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

And btw. I think the F-35 is better than some make it to be...when the main faults are ironed out, the software bugs corrected etc. in perhaps 2-3 years it should be very capable. Just not for all the roles it is meant to be...

For many roles right now I prefer these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijs6csP5UbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woCSL6yLy4k

Btw, I find such videos quite relaxing

It is slow and can't dogfight. It's payload is limited. All it has going for it is BVR. Even when the "bugs" are gone it will still be slow and can't dogfight.

[Alfred]

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

+1

Thank you, Alfred.

Joe

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

I understand, you prefer Adolf Hitler.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

I understand, you prefer Adolf Hitler.

RangerJoe
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ORIGINAL: Rusty1961


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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Fist one to make the nazi-association loses. Congrats.

And no, I don't like Hitler, but by your logic you prefer Stalin and Mao.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

Not for the first time, more non sequiturs from Rusty1961.

Over the years I've met in person some very bright, well educated Americans. Americans who were well informed on international issues, even issues which did not revolve around America. Yankees or Southerners, mid-West or Pacific coast, Republican or Democrat, the best of them had sharp intellects and could, in conducting a debate, construct a logical argument based on facts. Americans who understood that when debating, some issues are black and white but for most issues, it is the degree of grey which is brought into focus by debate. These are Americans who understand the operation of nuance. They, much like Copernicus who argued that the Earth revolved around the Sun rather than the heavens revolved around the Earth, understand that in a multipolar world all roads do not lead to Washington DC. To be well informed, one simply must attempt to understand other positions.

You are not one of those Americans.

Alfred

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

Not for the first time, more non sequiturs from Rusty1961.

Over the years I've met in person some very bright, well educated Americans. Americans who were well informed on international issues, even issues which did not revolve around America. Yankees or Southerners, mid-West or Pacific coast, Republican or Democrat, the best of them had sharp intellects and could, in conducting a debate, construct a logical argument based on facts. Americans who understood that when debating, some issues are black and white but for most issues, it is the degree of grey which is brought into focus by debate. These are Americans who understand the operation of nuance. They, much like Copernicus who argued that the Earth revolved around the Sun rather than the heavens revolved around the Earth, understand that in a multipolar world all roads do not lead to Washington DC. To be well informed, one simply must attempt to understand other positions.

You are not one of those Americans.

Alfred

Does this mean we are no longer friends, Alfred?

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

I understand, you prefer Adolf Hitler.

Wrong, that would be you with your Nazi-salute.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

Not for the first time, more non sequiturs from Rusty1961.

Over the years I've met in person some very bright, well educated Americans. Americans who were well informed on international issues, even issues which did not revolve around America. Yankees or Southerners, mid-West or Pacific coast, Republican or Democrat, the best of them had sharp intellects and could, in conducting a debate, construct a logical argument based on facts. Americans who understood that when debating, some issues are black and white but for most issues, it is the degree of grey which is brought into focus by debate. These are Americans who understand the operation of nuance. They, much like Copernicus who argued that the Earth revolved around the Sun rather than the heavens revolved around the Earth, understand that in a multipolar world all roads do not lead to Washington DC. To be well informed, one simply must attempt to understand other positions.

You are not one of those Americans.

Alfred

Hahahahaha! Like I give two-shakes-of-a-lambs tail what some non-American thinks of me. Hahahahah!

Living rent-free inside your head is fun.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Two can play this stupikd game.

1. No Russian or Chinese fighter comes anywhere near close to matching the speed of the slowest ICBM (about 18 Mach). All are to slow to can't catch up to and get into position to destroy an incoming ICBM. Ergo all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

2. No Russian or Chinese fighter can match the maneuverability of a Fokker Triplane, or even the less maneuverable Sopwith Camel or the more advanced CR.42. Ergo in a dogfight all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless.

3. No Russian or Chinese fighter has a payload close to matching that of a B-52. Not even that of the much more limited B-29. Ergo, all Russian and Chinese fighters are useless and a waste of money and resources.


Some Americans should thank their lucky stars they don't live and express their amateur military opinions in a country governed by a Stalin clone. The original got fed up with Polikarpov who was reluctant to embrace modern aeronautical developmnents and ultimately paid the price of being sent to the gulag.

Alfred

+1

Thank you, Alfred.

Joe

"Alfred, can you help me? Rusty is being mean to me...."

[fcooke]

Folks - please take it down a couple of notches. Nobody on this thread is going to change anyone else's mind on this one. But we should all be civil and let it go at that. If life you meet people who can be debated/educated/communicated with, but on some topics people are just not going to budge. So unless your ultimate goal is to get this thread shut down, go take a cold shower, hit the punching bag for a while, or whatever takes your fancy. My preference is Irish whiskey. Working on one now.

Regards,
Frank

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961





And hundreds of thousands Americans should curse the day they were born having died for the Monarchy, Comrade Stalin and Mao.

Your thinking is so archaic is it sad, but I bet even you, with your myopic thinking (more like emotions) would trade all those American lives back for on drop of Europeon blood.

Tell me at least that.

I understand, you prefer Adolf Hitler.

Wrong, that would be you with your Nazi-salute.

What Nazi salute?

[wdolson]

Please stop assigning political ideologies to one another. It's against the forum rules.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Folks - please take it down a couple of notches. Nobody on this thread is going to change anyone else's mind on this one. But we should all be civil and let it go at that. If life you meet people who can be debated/educated/communicated with, but on some topics people are just not going to budge. So unless your ultimate goal is to get this thread shut down, go take a cold shower, hit the punching bag for a while, or whatever takes your fancy. My preference is Irish whiskey. Working on one now.

Regards,
Frank

As long as Neo-Nazis, as epitomized by Ranger Joe screaming,"Sieg Hiel!" are allowed to stink up this thread I will not tolerate it. If you are comfortable with his saluting Adolph Hitler you need a soul check.