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Wow, hitting all of those locations at once will block reinforcements and ensure at least a couple of the invasions succeed. I can't wait to see this play out.

On the "some CAP have air radar," you should see that every time P-70s, F6F-5Ns, P-61s, etc. are on night CAP. I have never seen night fighters shoot down more than one or two enemy, though, so getting five in one go is impressive.

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Wow, hitting all of those locations at once will block reinforcements and ensure at least a couple of the invasions succeed. I can't wait to see this play out.

On the "some CAP have air radar," you should see that every time P-70s, F6F-5Ns, P-61s, etc. are on night CAP. I have never seen night fighters shoot down more than one or two enemy, though, so getting five in one go is impressive.

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I didn't expect so many enemy bombers shot down by the night fighters. My pilots were only adequately trained. Nothing special. OPilot didn't think much of the results either. The night air battles never feel quite right to me. I've played some games where my opponent and I agreed just not to fly combat missions at night. At this point, it doesn't matter to me.
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21 Mar 44

Sub Dorado spotted 2 huge tankers at Moppo, at the SW corner of Korea. 2 torpedoes missed tanker Nisshin Maru #2. I think these tankers were previously at Shanghai.

I-183 had an eventful day east of Borneo. It engaged a hodgepog of ships heading to Manila. It hit DE Spangler with a torpedo. DE Loeser then went after the sub, getting several hits on it and forcing it to surface. Loeser and AO Kennebago, xAK Lipscom and LSV Catskill then hit the sub with many shells, but I-183 torpedoed the xAK once. The sub was then seen slipping beneath the waves. Surfaced subs are very dangerous and can let loose many torpedoes in the surface battle. You just hope that you are engaging the sub with combat ships, not fat juicy targets! Both damaged ships should survive. Spangler is SYS 47/FLOT 60-44/ENG 7-3/FIRE 1 and Lipscom Lykes is SYS 6/FLOT 25-12/ENG 0/FIRE 1.

OPilot went after Changsha with overwhelming air power. At the start, CAP was 24 P-40Ns and 16 Spitfire VIIIs. 35 Georges swept from Shanghai and got the better of the defenders. Then 90 Franks swept, running up against just 20 fighters left on CAP. The Franks did very well. Sallys and Peggys and Helens then bombed the airfield, doing moderate damage. Some bombers were downed by a handful of Allied fighters still in the air. Then 35 more Franks swept, against just 2 Spits that didn't last long.

Overall air losses were 14 P-40Ns and 9 Spits. The Japanese lost 6 Georges, 4 Franks, 3 Peggys and 3 Sallys.

Another good cleanup attack at Naha. 1427 enemy casualties and 380 friendly. Rest and repeat.

The Chinese tried an artillery attack at Canton. Here's the listing of the huge armies at Canton:

Ground combat at Canton (77,59)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 179141 troops, 810 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6025

Defending force 103599 troops, 872 guns, 398 vehicles, Assault Value = 2817

Japanese ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
54th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
60th Chinese Corps
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
34th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
2nd Prov Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
10th Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment
25th Group Army
Y' Force
30th Group Army
1st Artillery Regiment
7th Artillery Regiment
39th Group Army
3rd Heavy Mortar Regiment

Defending units:
64th Division
60th Division
104th Division
8th Ind.Infantry Brigade
22nd Division
51st Division
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
7th Ind.Infantry Brigade
17th Division
116th Division
20th RGC Division
5th Air Army /1
11th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
Canton Special Base Force
47th JAAF AF Bn
5th RF Gun Battalion
4th Air Div /2
23rd Army
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
4th Mortar Battalion
13th Army /1
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22 Mar 44

5 small enemy minelayers were spotted near the south coast of Kyushu Island. Mining going on somewhere. We'll be finding those mines soon enough.

Shad sank subchaser CHa-22 near Kochi. Lots of enemy chasing going on here, with lots of US subs south of Japan.

I'd noticed a drawdown in enemy fighters at Bangkok. I sent P-47s on a sweep. 22 of them found about 30 Tonys, and the Thunderbolts did well. Wellingtons did a repeat mission of bombing the enemy tank division at Nanchang. Franks were overhead today. About 10 bombers were lost. Don't repeat unescorted bomber missions. I know this. I missed this unit's orders.

Allied troops on Amami Oshima attacked again. It went well, I think. The fight will continue. The 766th Tank Battalion is winning this fight.

Ground combat at Amami Oshima (98,64)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3030 troops, 18 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 146

Defending force 3100 troops, 51 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 78

Allied adjusted assault: 53

Japanese adjusted defense: 145

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
375 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
2/6th Cav/Cdo Battalion
2/7th Cav/Cdo Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
1st Aus Para Battalion

Defending units:
Yokosuka 4th SNLF
Amami Oshima Fortress
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF /1
1st Ind Engineer Regiment
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apbarog: Sub Dorado spotted 2 huge tankers at Moppo, at the SW corner of Korea

More likely that tanker was going to Port Arthur. No real reason to pass through that hex going to or from Shanghai. PA is the largest port for the Manchukuo area so the oil produced in the region tends to flow there.
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23 Mar 44

OPilot has a line of subs west and northwest of Luzon, running southwest to northeast, as if to form a barrier between Luzon and Vietnam. Not sure what that is about. I've sent out some ASW TFs. As his subs get lit up by SBDs on Luzon, he has backed off a hex with all of the subs. This is normal for him. He backs off the subs until he isn't spotted by land based ASW. But I know that he does this, and my ASW TFs are set up accordingly. 2 enemy subs were engaged today. Neither was sunk.

US subs continue to take minor damage around the coast of Japan. This is the cost of doing business right on the Japanese coast. I backed off a few subs that were in shallow water.

The enemy is crumbling at Naha. 1962 enemy casualties to 287 friendly, and 9 units evaporated to attrition after combat.

A good attack on Amami Oshima. The base may fall today.

Ground combat at Amami Oshima (98,64)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3127 troops, 18 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 139

Defending force 2497 troops, 51 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Allied adjusted assault: 99

Japanese adjusted defense: 28

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
553 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
2/7th Cav/Cdo Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
2/6th Cav/Cdo Battalion
1st Aus Para Battalion

Defending units:
Yokosuka 4th SNLF
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF /1
Amami Oshima Fortress
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24 Mar 44

45 Bettys caused heavy damage at Milne Bay. Why did they hit Milne Bay? Because I moved the fighter protection from there to Port Moresby a few days ago, to protect an inbound supply convoy. Am I worried about Milne Bay? Not in the least. If anything, I'm surprised to see so many Bettys in the Solomons, with an imminent threat to Japan itself.

I sent a bunch of B-24s to hit Cam Ranh Bay's port. Nothing has struck here before, at least, not in a long while. I had spotted some AS in port. 24 Nicks were protecting and they did a great job shooting down 9 Liberators. The port was not damaged in thunderstorms.

Another 2167 enemy casualties at Naha. The hex will be cleared soon. Amami Oshima was captured. The enemy's 14th Garrison Unit was completely destroyed at Cebu. All of the Philippines is now in Allied hands, except for Davao.

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Nice progress!

It is strange to see activity in the Solomons while you are pressing in on the Home Islands. I thought Bettys would have the range to go from the Solomons back to the HI.
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25 Mar 44

The usual sub versus anti-sub action around the coast of Japan. Submarine Dace spotted an already heavily damaged big tanker northeast of Shanghai, near the coast, apparently headed northeast towards Port Arthur. This tanker had been hit by a bomb at Shanghai during the carrier raid, and it managed to put out the fuel-fed fire. It was saved only because it was already at a huge port. I have a couple of subs trying to intercept south of Port Arthur. This is dangerous territory, with all shallow water, and the enemy knows that many subs are here. Subs will be lost, eventually. As in the real war in 1945, the number of available targets for the US subs has dropped dramatically. Just not many places to go for the enemy ships.

I didn't guess right with my CAP in China. OPilot went back to Ichang instead. Over 100 bombers hit Chinese troops in clear terrain. B-24s from Chungking went to Nanyang and hit the airfield, destroying a few enemy planes. Sonias and Dinahs.

Enemy reduction at Naha continued.

Just waiting for the beginning of the Japan invasion. Loading to begin in about a week.

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26 Mar 44

An unremarkable turn. Heavy US bombing of Canton resulted in little damage to enemy troops and the port. The British cruisers hit Canton every day. The goal is to burn up enemy supply at Canton. Then the huge Chinese army will attack the huge but isolated Japanese army.

More enemy troops were eliminated at Naha, but some still remain. But not for long. More engineers being sent to Amami Oshima.
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27 Mar 44

US sub hunters moved further out from Luzon towards Vietnam. The subs are out there. I-15 missed PF Everett with 2 torpedoes. Everett couldn't hit the sub. Guardfish was badly damaged by E-boats west of Korea. All shallow water there. I'm pulling the subs south a bit now. I didn't get the damaged tanker that was presumably headed to Port Arthur.

Big xAK convoy spotted along the coast of Japan near Nagoya. Tantalus missed a patrol boat with 2 torpedoes, but spotted 8 xAKs and 6 PBs. Can't see a reason why they'd be running the coast east to west. Nagoya may be a destination port for troops headed back to Japan from the Solomons. I've covered the approaches south of Tokyo pretty well. A bit less to the west.

Davao bombarded. Canton bombarded. Canton bombed but to little effect, again. Combat at Naha destroyed 2 more enemy units, causing over 1000 enemy casualties. Just one unit remains. Recent US attacks have been with the artillery and armor only. The 3 US divisions have been resting, and haven't been needed in the final cleanup. Got 118 to 1 odds without them. Naha should be cleared in the next attack.

Amami Oshima built a size 1 airfield. 2 P-47 squadrons are moved in, even without any base support there yet. The Thunderbolts are the newest model. Base support will be brought in from Naha.

SigInt says that an enemy AAA unit is on ships and headed to Fusan. I've been doing heavy recon of the Korean coast. I've been trying to bomb Moppo but the planes haven't flown yet. I have no intention of going to Korea, but it doesn't hurt to look like I have an interest there.
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Maybe it's time to kick off the invasion loading. I've yet to do an invasion too soon, despite lower than desired unit preparation values. I've become a bit impatient.

It's very possible that the enemy's situation is more dire than I know. The economy could have collapsed months ago.

Let's finish this war off.

I'll see how I feel tomorrow when I get the next turn.
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28 Mar 44

US destroyers made a full speed run to the NE from Amami Oshima. They sank tiny AMc Fuji Maru #11 near Fukue-jima. The DDs returned to Amami Oshima.

DE Express found I-185 well west of Subic Bay. 2 good hits on the sub, causing heavy damage.

Sub Billfish fired 4 torpedoes at CL Noshiro just northeast of Amami Oshima. 2 torpedoes hit but one was a dud. The ship is reported to be on fire. 6 destroyers are spotted. Billfish took a depth charge hit and will retire. The enemy ships may have been making a run into Amami Oshima, having seen transports there. But oddly, this engagement was at night, and the ships hadn't moved during the day. Maybe one of those randomly botched bombardments? Or Billfish just messed up the run.

The last enemy unit was eliminated at Naha. Okinawa is now clear of the enemy. A division at Nago is in the process of being transported to Formosa for rest and recovery. Small task forces are coming and going doing this. The same will now be done for the division at Naha in most need of rest. Over-stacking needs to be taken care of there also.

The divisions remaining on Okinawa will rest and become a reserve force for the Kyushu landings. Speaking of which, I spent many hours today forming up task forces to pick up the assault forces at Manila, Batangas and Naga. Loading for Japan starts tomorrow. It's going to be a big show.

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29 Mar 44

The enemy surface group did continue to Amami Oshima. My xAPs escaped. 7 US Fletcher class destroyers engaged. Bad weather and 28% moonlight meant a knife fight, with visibility at 2,000 yards.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Amami Oshima at 98,64, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Noshiro
DD Akigumo
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Burns
DD Johnston
DD Knapp
DD Luce, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Miller
DD Mullany
DD Nicholas


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Amami Oshima at 98,64, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Noshiro, Shell hits 6
DD Akigumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 1
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze

Allied Ships
DD Burns, Shell hits 1
DD Johnston
DD Knapp, Shell hits 1
DD Luce, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Miller
DD Mullany
DD Nicholas, Shell hits 1


Not a decisive battle. The enemy did not bombard, and ran away during the daytime. Burns is SYS 27/FLOT 13-5/ENG 5-1/FIRE 0 and Luce is SYS 23/FLOT 21-10/ENG 9-0/FIRE 0. With Manila and Hong Kong nearby, this damage will be repaired quickly.

Moppo in Korea was bombed by B-24s. AG Junpo Maru was sunk by 2 bombs. It had been supporting the many sub chasers in the area. It is interesting that there are no ground units at Moppo. I had a B-24 squadron targeting ground troops at Moppo, and since there were none, the bombers decided to fly to a base northwest of Shanghai. They ran into Oscars. 6 Oscars were downed and 5 B-24s were lost.

Loading began on Luzon for the Kyushu invasion. It will take a few days, and thats not counting the loading for follow-up units after that. It's going to be big.

Here's the number of units prepping for each invasion target, including followup units:

Oita - 3 divisions, 17 units
Kumamoto - 3 divisions, 18 units
Kurume - 2 divisions, 18 units
Kagoshima - 1 division, 11 units
Kanoya - 1 division, 9 units
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only 10 divisions for an invasion of Kyushu? How much resistance do you expect and where does the IJ have all it's ground units? Doesn't look all that big to me, my opponent landed close to 30 divs plus 140 other units in an invasion in India and was bogged down by just 2500av holding Calcutta. 12,000 av couldn't break the defenses quickly enough, each suffered like 2000 disabled combat squads. Considering the situation in your game it can't be all that much of a surprise if you go for Kyushu? And Kyushu has some really nice defensive terrain if one doesn't try to hold clear hexes.
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You may be right. I've never experienced a Japan invasion, attacking or defending. The 10 divisions are all in the assault wave. I have 5 more divisions that just took Okinawa, and they could be brought into a secured base.

I really want to take Oita and the 2 clear terrain bases near Nagasaki. The 2 bases in the south are in defensible terrain and only have one attacking division allotted, so they may not fall easily. With Oita, I want to move north and cut the rail line off of the island as soon as possible.

I have no idea if this will be a cake walk or an impossible task. Part of the fun of the operation. Everything I have will be involved though. But it is just March 1944.
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30 Mar 44

The usual bombing here and there. I keep hitting Canton hard but there's still supply there. Most of the assault wave for Kyushu is now loaded. The rest will load today. Shipping for the follow-up units will now move to the same embarkation ports. As the assault ships fill up, they are moved to the northern coast of Luzon to join up into the proper convoys.
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I like your attitude. Give it a shot.

One of those clear hex invasion hexes, or Oita, might work out pretty well and you'll want to unload the other five divisions pretty quickly into the successful one. I personally would have put 5-6 divs into Kanoya and scattered the others for blocking purposes, but who knows? Either way, from what I've heard in March 1944 there shouldn't be a lot of IJA/IJN ground units available on the Home Islands.

EDIT: Have you done any recce of the target bases?

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I like your attitude. Give it a shot.

One of those clear hex invasion hexes, or Oita, might work out pretty well and you'll want to unload the other five divisions pretty quickly into the successful one. I personally would have put 5-6 divs into Kanoya and scattered the others for blocking purposes, but who knows? Either way, from what I've heard in March 1944 there shouldn't be a lot of IJA/IJN ground units available on the Home Islands.

EDIT: Have you done any recce of the target bases?

Cheers,
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I've done just a little recon of Kyushu several weeks ago. Defenses were not substantial. There's always the mind games of doing recon. Do recon equals showing interest. Sometimes avoiding recon shows interest. I'll be starting serious recon of Kyushu very soon. I think that my invasions will be preceded by a feint toward Korea. Possibly an air drop on the island southwest of Moppo. Maybe carriers and support moving towards Moppo. I have a bunch of tiny LCTs at Formosa that aren't involved in the landings. They may go towards Korea. I can't see it having much of an effect. At this point, it's pretty obvious where the Allies are going. If I can move the feint towards Korea, but still keep them within one day's movement of the desired invasion locations near Nagasaki, I'll do so.
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