To Prome and Back Again... Xargun (J) vs Admiral DadMan (A) [No Admiral DadMan]

[Xargun]

Admiral DadMan and I are going to face off in what will be an epic one sided game, with me getting my butt kicked most likely. We are going to play his mod - Scraps of Paper which I believe is based off one of the Babes scenarios. Well I am chugging through everything and should have the turn to him in a couple days. Some stuff is coming back to me, and other stuff is like 'what is this?'.

If anyone has a suggestion for a better AAR title please suggest away.

Xargun

[Xargun]

I am going over my Aircraft R&D and trying to decide how heavy to go for some of the models - especially the better Night Fighters. I will be looking at ship conversions tomorrow. Also slowly thinking of what I want to hit on turn 1 - PH or Manila Harbor. Please chip in your two cents.

Xargun

[DesertWolf101]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

I am going over my Aircraft R&D and trying to decide how heavy to go for some of the models - especially the better Night Fighters. I will be looking at ship conversions tomorrow. Also slowly thinking of what I want to hit on turn 1 - PH or Manila Harbor. Please chip in your two cents.

Xargun

My preference is Pearl Harbor over Manila as Manila is within proximity to Japanese land based aviation which can do the job. It also depends on where you plan to push early on and how the KB fits in with the plan after day 1.

[Xargun]

So do you research Engines the same way as you do Aircraft? Or do engines simply come when they come? I am thinking of going heavily into the A7M2 Sam, but its engine is not available to 9-45. So if I cannot speed up the engine arriving, there is little reason to research the Sam.

Xargun

[PaxMondo]

Engines are RnD's similar to AC. They can be advanced significantly.

Most of the current IJ thinking revolves around focusing on just a couple, 3 at most, fighter designs that will get you through the war. Going all out on those fighters. Everything else, pretty much arriving per calendar.

Not knowing this mod, but for Scen 1, getting A7M in early '44 is considered crucial. Frank is the other model, getting it in mid-43. George is sometimes also added to the list ... depends. George will delay Frank/Sam, but it can still be effective strategy.

While some players don't like this strategy, because it take "too" much liberty with reality it actually is a pretty simple issue. All of the IJ designs were delayed as they could not get a 2 stage boost to work. And they were too proud(?) to trade with any of their axis partners for the technology. The 2 year delay was the result. If they had chosen to get the technology, A7M easily could have been available in '44. The first protoypes flew well before then ... ditto a plethora of other models.

Yes, I am over-simplifying the history here, but not by much. There's been a wealth of WW2 IJ documents that have been digitized since the game came out that they devs did not have access to.

[Xargun]

So I am looking at the Frank - b model vs r. It seems to me the b is actually better except the r can go 2k higher altitude. Is it worth going for the r ?

Also, the A6M5c Zero is fairly easy to bring up in time . should I try to use that as an intermediary plane between the A6M3a and the A7M2 ? I believe I can get the A6M5c in late 42 or early 43 - this would provide my IJN fighters with a decent plane with armor until the A7 rolls off the line.

Xargun

[Xargun]

Looking at ship conversion... How many mines does a single ACM maintain ? Was it 150?

Xargun

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

So I am looking at the Frank - b model vs r. It seems to me the b is actually better except the r can go 2k higher altitude. Is it worth going for the r ?

Also, the A6M5c Zero is fairly easy to bring up in time . should I try to use that as an intermediary plane between the A6M3a and the A7M2 ? I believe I can get the A6M5c in late 42 or early 43 - this would provide my IJN fighters with a decent plane with armor until the A7 rolls off the line.

Xargun

Sam and Frank R are the two most important fighters you can reasonably expect to field in 1944 or earlier. Frank B underperforms by a lot.

5c is a good plane and effective the whole game in certain roles. The 7 is better of course, but the Sam is what you want to field no later than June of 44. A lot depends here on how you plan to use your KB during the course of the game and your other research into say George etc...but definitely prioritize Sam and Frank r.

I made it to Jan of 1945 with the 5c as a carrier fighter...I wouldn't recommend it.[;)]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

Looking at ship conversion... How many mines does a single ACM maintain ? Was it 150?

Xargun

Without looking it up and citing chapter and verse, yes.

[jdsrae]

You also need fuel at the base for the ACM to do its job.
No fuel and the mines start to disperse.

[Xargun]

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

You also need fuel at the base for the ACM to do its job.
No fuel and the mines start to disperse.

Yep I remember the fuel part and that they cannot be very damaged (I think 10% damage is the max) or they won't do their jobs. I just want to make sure I convert enough ACMs to tend to the minefields I want to keep and the few I plan on laying.

Xargun

[Xargun]

On the base screen. The Supplies Required button. If you set that then the supply routine will try to gather 3x that amount correct?

Xargun

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

On the base screen. The Supplies Required button. If you set that then the supply routine will try to gather 3x that amount correct?

Xargun

Without quoting chapter and verse, if the supplies are available then that is correct.

[PaxMondo]

In stock, the Frank b model just isn't worth it. The Frank a model does not lead to it, so the Frank b requires a huge RnD expenditure, and as noted above, the Frank r model is better all around.

[Xargun]

OK My initial AC will be:

Fighters: A6M2 Zero and Ki-43-Ic Oscar
LBAs: G3M2 Nell and Ki-21-IIa Sally
DB: D3A1 Val
TB: B5K2 Kate
Patrol: H6K4 Mavis
Recon: C5M2 Babs and Ki-46-II Dinah
Transports: L3Y2 Tina and MC-21 Sally

I have expanded Armaments and Vehicle factories a little bit (+30 and +28 respectively). I am still debating what AC to Research and that will make my engine plan easy. My ship conversions are as follows:

AG Muroto: xAK x2
xAK Husimi: AR x10, AS x3
xAK Lima: AKE x5
xAK Ehime: AD x3
xAK Std-C: TK x5
xAKL To'su: CMc x4, ACM x20, PB x14
xAKL Kiso-E: PB x20
xAKL Kijira: PB x18
xAKL Ha'chi: PB x26


Xargun

[Xargun]

So how many engines do I have to have in the pool to get the Engine Bonus on Aircraft Research? Is it 100?

Xargun

[Bif1961]

How about an AAR name of "There's no place like Prome?"

[grond69]

I believe that you need 500 engines in the pool to get the research bonus

[Xargun]

The beginnings of most conversions, Aircraft R&D and Engine factory buildout has begun. A few changes to orders and turn one is away.

Xargun

[PaxMondo]

Good Luck!