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[terje439]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

we've lost an awful lot of 'big name' British footballers it seems in the last few years. Maybe it's just that this is the time for the generation of footballers that I knew when first getting interested in football and so each name means something more than simply XYZ, the ex-ABC footballer has died?

Yeah, I think it is twofold, one is the "timing", they are players we remember, but also it has to do with the "time". They were one of the generation of players that were "famous", more so than earlier when the players also went to work beside their football.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

RIP Ray Clemence indeed... we've lost an awful lot of 'big name' British footballers it seems in the last few years. Maybe it's just that this is the time for the generation of footballers that I knew when first getting interested in football and so each name means something more than simply XYZ, the ex-ABC footballer has died?

aye would agree with this, also for good or ill they were players we saw play, identified with (even as anti-heros) and so on?

edit - I remember being at WHL when Spurs trounced Southampton 6-0. Clemence was in goal for us having just been told that Shilton was the first choice for England. One got the impression he rather enjoyed that as Crooks and Archibald made a fool out of Shilton for one of the final goals

[warspite1]

...and to think I was desperate for Spurs not to sign Grealish - look like a very bad move from Spurs (now there's a shocker!) [8|]

I mean an England player actually prepared to take a man on..... Surely not - he must be Irish.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

...and to think I was desperate for Spurs not to sign Grealish - look like a very bad move from Spurs (now there's a shocker!) [8|]

I mean an England player actually prepared to take a man on..... Surely not - he must be Irish.

England player or English player? Aren't other ethnicities and nationalities allowed to play in England?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: warspite1

...and to think I was desperate for Spurs not to sign Grealish - look like a very bad move from Spurs (now there's a shocker!) [8|]

I mean an England player actually prepared to take a man on..... Surely not - he must be Irish.

England player or English player? Aren't other ethnicities and nationalities allowed to pay in England?

warspite1

It's not playing in England. It's playing for England. Grealish is eligible for either Ireland or England.

The point being he can't be English because he can actually play football properly.

[Piteas]

Tonight...

Spain 6 - 0 Germany


I am posting this historical score in all the forums that I know while uncorking a bottle of wine

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Piteas

Tonight...

Spain 6 - 0 Germany


I am posting this historical score in all the forums that I know while uncorking a bottle of wine

warspite1

Congratulations to Spain [:)] I mean No non-German likes to see the Germans get thrashed at football do they? [:D]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Piteas

Tonight...

Spain 6 - 0 Germany


I am posting this historical score in all the forums that I know while uncorking a bottle of wine

warspite1

Congratulations to Spain [:)] I mean No non-German likes to see the Germans get thrashed at football do they? [:D]

That also depends upon your definition of "German!"

[wodin]

Klinsman has stated Spurs have a title chance as long as no one steams ahead in the race.

Even Ian Wright is giving out praise.

See with the other teams being all over the place and no one is standing out esp the likes of Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, City and even last years winners not what they were last season Spurs have the talent and yes manager to actually be in the running.

Now I m a Spurs fan and just can't imagine us winning the league, however I do know looking at our team we can challenge top four and maybe even win a cup. We certainly aren't relegation fodder the team really is to good for that. The worse case of underperformance would be a mid table finish.

The next three premier league games are massive if we can come out with two wins and a draw that would be excellent. If we beat City draw with Chelsea and win against Arsenal we would b in good shape. Those results against current team performances are possible. City and Arsenal have been very poor Spurs playing far better, though I know Chelsea is a bogey team we have drawn against them this season.

Oh after England I do like Germany. More than France and Italy anyway. So as I want a European team usually to win then after England, Germany. Though years ago I always wanted Brazil to win but then they kept winning and I thought it went to their heads to much so loved it when Germany won in Brazil.

Really having some Italian blood I suppose I should back Italy it's just they throw themselves around to much which is embarrassing and at times cheating. Don't like that.

[loki100]

you know .. this football thing might be fun after all

[Orm]

... and it is just that moment when you think that, that Lucy pulls the ball...

[NavalNewZ]

Why Cant I delete? big downvote for Matrix forums and the reason why i dont post here much.

[wodin]

Spurs 2 Man City 0

Not bad eh warspite. I know it's difficult to be positive as a Spurs fan, but try. You said the big teams would beat us...City is pretty big.

A draw with Chelsea and win against Arsenal and that's great results.

[VPaulus]

I saw the match yesterday against City.
If Spurs play always as a team, the way they have played yesterday, everything is possible.
It was a real strong and humble (with no prima donas) team that I saw on the pitch.
Besides Spurs have the best player in the world (IMO), Kane.
So, who knows...

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Spurs 2 Man City 0

Not bad eh warspite. I know it's difficult to be positive as a Spurs fan, but try. You said the big teams would beat us...City is pretty big.

A draw with Chelsea and win against Arsenal and that's great results.

warspite1

Lol [:)]

I said:

Top four? Well it would be good if played a LOT better than we did against Burnley and a WHOLE LOT better than we did against Brighton and a MASSIVE LOT better than against Antwerp..... Unless we improve then when we play proper teams like City and Chelsea in the coming weeks, we will be ripped apart.

I say again - and all the football pundits say the same - against Everton it is difficult to exaggerate how bad we were - and how bad Hojbjerg was in particular. Alderweirald didn't get back in the team for a while, Winks and Alli are in the cold, Davies has lost his place at left back.

Yes - we were shocking. Subsequent performances where we scrapped out a result were better - but hardly brilliant.

The game against Man City can be looked at in two ways:

- if we had lost (and margins are fine in football) then the performance would have been criticised heavily. At home to Man City and they dominated possession - and we were resorting to pumping long balls upfield for much of the time (can you imagine Liverpool playing like that?... but then Liverpool didn't beat City - although they were away)

- as we won, it was a Jose masterclass. Sit and defend and beat them on the counter. Well it worked at Inter Milan so maybe it can work for Spurs.

As fans, we all deal with things in the way we find most comfortable. Personally, the idea that, playing like that, we are possible champions, is absurd. I would give anything to be wrong- and for Spurs to actually win the title in my lifetime..... but I'm not holding my breath [:)]

[RFalvo69]

The news media report that Diego Armando Maradona died today. A cardiac arrest it would seem.

https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer- ... SKBN2852JR

The pinnacle of "genius and disorderliness" in sports. They are already talking about him as "the Greatest Soccer Player Ever". Sorry, but I reserve that title for Pelè. Still sad news, though [:(]

[TulliusDetritus]

Only 60. Too young to die.

RIP [:(]

[terje439]

RIP indeed

[warspite1]

RIP Maradona. A tortured footballing genius. Capable of doing things on the pitch mere mortals could only dream about.

As for the Pele vs Maradona argument. Pele wins this for the same reason as Lewis wins Hamilton vs Schumacher. When you have two sporting colossus from different periods its impossible to ever know who was the better. But when one of the options plays the game cleanly and fairly, and the other has moments of less than sporting behaviour, then the former deserves the benefit of any doubt.

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

RIP Maradona. A tortured footballing genius. Capable of doing things on the pitch mere mortals could only dream about.

As for the Pele vs Maradona argument. Pele wins this for the same reason as Lewis wins Hamilton vs Schumacher. When you have two sporting colossus from different periods its impossible to ever know who was the better. But when one of the options plays the game cleanly and fairly, and the other has moments of less than sporting behaviour, then the former deserves the benefit of any doubt.

I agree. Maradona had an immense talent, but he wasted a big portion of it with his often irresponsible behaviour (drugs, illegitimate children, shady dealings with the camorra when with Naples...) A pity. Pelè was consistently great and a role-model outside the pitch too.

I remember when, after "coming clean" from cocaine (which is a form of doping) and a 15 months ban, Maradona was immediately caught using doping again at the 1994 World Cup. All my friends were sympathetic with him (and I mean all). I, alone, wasn't. Maybe I was too harsh, but I felt that Maradona, by using doping, had betrayed the faith that the team and the coach had given to him. He later stated that it had been "involuntary doping" and he didn't knew that the energiser he drank contained dopant substances. Maybe, but I felt that, by then, he had lost his credibility.

Nothing of this, of course, denies that he was a legend on the pitch. But, sadly, he consistently sabotaged himself with his irresponsible behaviour - a loss for him in the first place, but, in a final analysis, for everybody too.