Sub Hunter Bonus Not Working? v9.1

[kennonlightfoot]

Maybe I forgot how it works but shouldn't this combat situation show a Sub Hunter Bonus?
The three British groups are DD's on the S. Atlantic lane.
Here is the combat report:

[ncc1701e]

Is it a game versus AI? Hotseat? or PBEM?
If this is a PBEM, are you sure your opponent has the same version i.e. V1.00.091?

[kennonlightfoot]

I first saw it in a PBEM.
But to verify I was doing it right with both sides I did it in Hot Seat.

And, I may have found the cause. Apparently, if you leave your subs in Fleet mode (not Raider) it still attacks the convoy route but Enemy Sub Hunters are ignored. The above attack occurred while the U-Boat was in Fleet mode. I forgot to switch it when I left port. So I switched it and played another round and this time the sub hunters joined in.

[kennonlightfoot]

Now for more confusion. I was trying to find a reason that in a repeat of the test I finally saw a sub hunter bonus. I thought maybe something like oil level being below 50% might be the trigger. Instead I found I couldn't repeat the bonus starting up. Tested through some six round with the U-Boats in different modes, moves, etc. and UK with 1 to 3 DD's hunting in different modes. On Convoy attacks with Sub Hunter bonus.

So far the only thing repeatable is no Bonus.

[AlvaroSousa]

It is working there is just a text issue with hotseat or A.I. games if I recall. PBEM the text shows.

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

It is working there is just a text issue with hotseat or A.I. games if I recall. PBEM the text shows.

I originally had the error in my PBEM game.

[MagicMissile]

There might be something here.

This is from a PBEM I just did my turn. The British fleet was there at the start of the turn but no Sub hunter bonus show.

From the outcome though with 3 subs hurt maybe they did contribute but it cant be seen.

[malkarma]

IN my MP games I aslo don't see the sub hunter bonuses.

[AlvaroSousa]

Everyone is with 1.00.91 right?

[MagicMissile]

Yes absolutely

/MM

[kennonlightfoot]

Yes. What's bad is without the message there is no way to tell whether the Bonus is actually working. The error could be the message missing only but I fear it is more likely because the bonus isn't working.

Side question: Does whether a U-Boat expend action points effect its ability to kill merchants?
In previous versions the U-Boat could sometimes attack twice if it had both AP so chasing it around with CV's was worth while to make it move. With the change in 9 it can attack even without any AP left and it doesn't need to move except to maybe get away from Sub Huntes. Does it's attack odds change depending on whether it had expended no AP, 1 AP or all AP?

[malkarma]

Subs units only do 1 attack against a convoy, no matter how many OP remains. The double attacks happens when 2 different convoys move in the same lane (ex: USA to UK and Canada to UK in North atlantic).

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: malkarma

Subs units only do 1 attack against a convoy, no matter how many OP remains. The double attacks happens when 2 different convoys move in the same lane (ex: USA to UK and Canada to UK in North atlantic).

Seams like there should be some penalty for having to relocate; otherwise, there is no reason for sub unit to make massive jumps every turn to avoid defended convoy routes.

[kennonlightfoot]

And when you thought Sub Hunter handling couldn't get any stranger while setting up a test for Vichy France handling I noticed I was getting the sub bonus but it seems to be stuck on 3%. I added more DD's, no change. I removed everything I could find that could possibly give a bonus, still 3%.