Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>French Mirage 2000D MLU 2021-22</summary>
<detail> French Mirage 2000D going through MLU. First received but project through 2022. Micas, Hammers and Talios look like weapon and pod upgrade.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/f ... anded-over
https://orbisdefense.blogspot.com/2016/ ... irage.html
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... fleet.html
</evidence>

[JFS737]

Hi,
It seems the Italian and now Egyptian FREMM have the wrong main AAW radar... it was originally planned I think with the EMPAR, but most if not all now have the MFRA. It is AESA (active) vs passive phased array and has much longer range and some BMD tracking capabilities. Can we change the DB to reflect this... the EMPAR is 80nm and it's likely the MFRA is 200 or more (Some say 400 km).

Sources:
https://www.navalanalyses.com/2014/08/b ... es-of.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNCJBgaez4
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ield-2019/
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/an-analysis- ... evelopment
http://www.military-today.com/navy/carl ... _class.htm
https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/01/02/ ... the-world/
http://www.seaforces.org/marint/Italian ... -class.htm
https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/conten ... -navy-4062

Also, the Egyptian navy just took delivery of a FREMM (Bergamini) frigate from Italy... new units originally destined for the Italian navy. They have another new former IT Navy unit coming as well. They are fit out very similar to the Italian GP FREMM. They also have a French ASW version.
Last is the Moroccan FREMM and ASW French version.
Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FREMM_mul ... se_frigate

[Shkval25]

<type>Oddity</type>
<summary>SA-2 flagged to target guided weapons but not HQ-2.</summary>
<detail>All versions of the SA-2 are flagged to engage "Missiles and Guided Bombs" but all models of the HQ-2, an improved copy of the SA-2, are flagged to only target aircraft. What is the reasoning behind this?</detail>

[Parel803]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Al-Galala Class, Egypt, FFG1002. Italian build FREMM class. First delivererd of 2 units. Just to add some extra data I found on the previous post by JFS737. </summary>
<detail>
General Purpose Frigate, optimized for ASW. Displacement:6500t, Length:144m, maxSpeed:27kts, cruis:15kts for 6800nm.
Propulsion: CODLAG incl 1x 32MW Gasturbine General/Electric/Avio LM2500+G4. 2x 2,5MW elctric Jeumont, 4x Diesel genrators.
Weapons: Leonardo 127/64 mm LW Vulcan, Leonado OtoMelara76/62 mm SR, 2x Leonardo OtoMelara/Oerlikon KBA 25/80 mm Remote, 8x MBDA Reseo/Otomat Mk-2/A, 2x Triple Leonardo (WASS) B515/3 Launcher for MU90 torp, 2x Sitep Mass CS-424 AcousticGuns, 16cell MBDA Sylver A50 VLS for 16x Aster-15 and 30x SAAM-ESD.
Sensors: Leonardo MFRA or Kronos GrandNaval 3D AESA, Nav radars, RASS Surf/air rdr, IFF, 2x NA-25X RDR-EO/IR fire control from Leonardo.
Sensor notes from twitter: the big SATCOM domes have been removed as well as the two Nettuno jammers and probably the Altesse CESM.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/e ... n-frigate/
https://twitter.com/mahmouedgamal44/sta ... fg-1002%2F
https://twitter.com/mahmouedgamal44/sta ... 1423673344
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... lexandria/
https://www.mod.gov.eg/ModWebSite/NewsD ... x?id=40557
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENS_Al-Galala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoNCJBgaez4
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/95 ... -Al-Galala
</evidence>
with regards GJ
And apologize for the wrote way of poostinng it.

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update the name Mozambiqe to Mozambique</summary>
<detail> Not a huge deal but there is a typo in the country table. Mozambiqe should be Mozambique
</detail>
<evidence>
Small change typo.
</evidence>

[Filitch]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Pr. 671RTM Shchuka (Victor III) should be equipped with TASS</summary>
<details>671 RTM is lack of part of MGK-500 Skat sonar system - towed array sensor system. TASS is part of MGK-500 from ever first.</details>
<evidences>
http://bastion-opk.ru/sonar-mgk-500-skat/
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files ... M/list.htm
Quote:

In terms of its capabilities, the Scat sonar system was three times superior to the previous generation and was very close to the American systems (although still inferior to them in mass-size characteristics). The maximum target detection range in normal hydrological conditions was 230 km. Were used passive noise receivers and a towed infrasound sensor system that was folded up and placed in a special bulbo-shaped container located above the vertical fin of the boat.

<evidences>

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: Filitch

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Pr. 671RTM Shchuka (Victor III) should be equipped with TASS</summary>
<details>671 RTM is lack of part of MGK-500 Skat sonar system - towed array sensor system. TASS is part of MGK-500 from ever first.</details>
<evidences>
http://bastion-opk.ru/sonar-mgk-500-skat/
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files ... M/list.htm
Quote:

In terms of its capabilities, the Scat sonar system was three times superior to the previous generation and was very close to the American systems (although still inferior to them in mass-size characteristics). The maximum target detection range in normal hydrological conditions was 230 km. Were used passive noise receivers and a towed infrasound sensor system that was folded up and placed in a special bulbo-shaped container located above the vertical fin of the boat.

<evidences>

Hey just looking at this. The mouse tail TASS is listed in the db items. Is there an upgrade or something? Are you using the latest db version?

Mike

[JFS737]

Not sure if this has been brought up but it would greatly help to have it fixed. When loading a saved game or scenario, it's great that you can "sort" by date, name... etc. However, at the momemnt, DATE does not work. My saved 2021 game is listed about #20... well behind some 2020 saves.

Also, it'd be a great help to have this sort system also allow selection of "only unplayed games in the last XX Months". This would allow me to avoid doing repeats! I am having a hard time tracking all this!

Last, the "merge range symbols" and "Show non-friendly range symbols" options are great, but they are NOT rememberd.... ever! It would be great to have these saved in my profile or at least saved at shutdown... Would save me a lot of time. Really, just about everything in the "GAME" menu dropdown should be saved on closing a scenario or by saving it in the "my profile" under options> Map.

Possibly others may disagree... but I'd love this.

Thanks,

John

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BDukes

ORIGINAL: Filitch
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Pr. 671RTM Shchuka (Victor III) should be equipped with TASS</summary>

Hey just looking at this. The mouse tail TASS is listed in the db items. Is there an upgrade or something? Are you using the latest db version?

Mike

You are right, but not completely. TASS present only for #138 and #386. Other submarine records is lack TASS.

[Parel803]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Senegal Navy, Shaldag Patrol Boats. 3x Shaldag MK II (Anambe is first unit of class)& 1x Shaldag MK V (Lac Retba). Israelian build</summary>
<detail>
Length MK2:25.3m MK5:32.65m, Beam MK2:6m MK5:6.2m, Tonnage MK2:58t MK5:95t, MaxSpeed: MK2:45kts MK5:40+kts, Range MK2:650nmAt32kts MK5:1000nmAt12kts
Possible Weapons A number of armament options are available, including fore and aft deck guns, and heavy machineguns on the fly bridge. The guns can be remotely controlled (such as the 23/25 mm Typhoon and 12.7/7.62 mm Mini-Typhoon) or manually operated weapons. In addition, a 20-23 mm naval gun can be mounted on the rear gun mount or four to eight short range missiles can be carried.
The fast patrol boat can be armed with a 23mm-25mm TYPHOON automatic gun, two 12.7mm or 7.62mm MINI-TYPHOON heavy machine guns, and other manually operated guns of similar configuration. It can also carry up to eight short-range anti-ship missiles to engage targets at sea or on the coastline.
Typical Sensor MK2/MK5:I-band Nav Rdr, EO
Also in service:IsraeliNavy, AzerbaijaniNavy, SriLankaNavy, NigerianNavy, CyprusPortAndMarinePolice, EquatorialGuineaPolice. Ordered by PhilippineNavy.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... o-senegal/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/i ... o-senegal/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/i ... o-senegal/
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/s ... very-soon/
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... trol-boat/
https://www.ndarinfo.com/photo/art/gran ... 1607021398
https://militaryleak.com/2020/05/12/isr ... lese-navy/
https://www.israel-shipyards.com/naval-002.asp
https://www.israel-shipyards.com/appfiles/news-0013.pdf
</evidence>
with regards GJ

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Pr. 671RTM Shchuka (Victor III) #452,363,365,454 should be equipped with TASS</summary>
<details>#452,363,365,454,671 RTM is lack of part of MGK-500 Skat sonar system - towed array sensor system. TASS is part of MGK-500 from ever first.</details>
<evidence>
http://bastion-opk.ru/sonar-mgk-500-skat/
http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files ... M/list.htm
Quote:
quote:

In terms of its capabilities, the Scat sonar system was three times superior to the previous generation and was very close to the American systems (although still inferior to them in mass-size characteristics). The maximum target detection range in normal hydrological conditions was 230 km. Were used passive noise receivers and a towed infrasound sensor system that was folded up and placed in a special bulbo-shaped container located above the vertical fin of the boat.

</evidence>

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: Filitch

ORIGINAL: BDukes

ORIGINAL: Filitch
<type>Update</type>
<summary>Pr. 671RTM Shchuka (Victor III) should be equipped with TASS</summary>

Hey just looking at this. The mouse tail TASS is listed in the db items. Is there an upgrade or something? Are you using the latest db version?

Mike

You are right, but not completely. TASS present only for #138 and #386. Other submarine records is lack TASS.

Just added an updated entry with correct tag format and sub unit #'s. Hope they fix it.

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BDukes
Just added an updated entry with correct tag format and sub unit #'s. Hope they fix it.

Thank you so much!

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BDukes
Just added an updated entry with correct tag format and sub unit #'s. Hope they fix it.

Thank you so much!

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update Facility #3177 in service date to 2020-21 and name to YJ-12B</summary>
<detail>First YJ-12B conversion this year (see link below). Looks like they've designated the land based weapon the YJ-12B</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/TajoTakoya/status/1 ... 2447570957
https://twitter.com/TajoTakoya/status/1 ... 3497629697
</evidence>

[KLAB]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4709794

Hi,
This sounds like a feature request so perhaps post on the above thread so the Devs don't miss it.
Cheers
K

ORIGINAL: JFS737

Not sure if this has been brought up but it would greatly help to have it fixed. When loading a saved game or scenario, it's great that you can "sort" by date, name... etc. However, at the momemnt, DATE does not work. My saved 2021 game is listed about #20... well behind some 2020 saves.

Also, it'd be a great help to have this sort system also allow selection of "only unplayed games in the last XX Months". This would allow me to avoid doing repeats! I am having a hard time tracking all this!

Last, the "merge range symbols" and "Show non-friendly range symbols" options are great, but they are NOT rememberd.... ever! It would be great to have these saved in my profile or at least saved at shutdown... Would save me a lot of time. Really, just about everything in the "GAME" menu dropdown should be saved on closing a scenario or by saving it in the "my profile" under options> Map.

Possibly others may disagree... but I'd love this.

Thanks,

John

[JFS737]

EDIT: IGNORE the below query! Looks like this site shows definitively the CAMM onboard Type 23 in a 32 cell configuration at 1:1. Done as far as I can see. http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE ... r-CAMM.htm




Just looking at the Brit Type 23 Duke class with updated VLS (CAMM) circa 2017 and later. They have (had) 32 VLS cells for the older Sea Wolf which were then converted to CAMM capable cells. I have read it was to be a 1:1 VLS swap from Sea Wolf to Sea Ceptor. I've also seen a different version of install (See links below). A bit more than half the cells will be used to install all the hardare into (computers... power etc) and the last 12 to take CAMM, but the CAMM's are Quad packed in this setup... so only 12 cells now... and 48 CAMM. Does anyone know what is ACTUALLY happening as the type 23 upgrade to CAMM? This would be nice to fix if indeed it is actually being done. I think it's being done 1:1 but just wanted to check as some info indicates otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50SvUp ... e=emb_logo (MBDA; Manufacturer Video)
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Type_23_frigate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXLrrmy_Hc (Very end of the vid)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_23_frigate

[BDukes]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>ADD T-AO-205 John Lewis [T-AO(X)Class] Replenishment Tanker. United Statues 2022</summary>
<detail>1st of Kaiser replacements launched. Check first link for tech schematics and fuel and cargo capacities. Beyond one link no defensive weapons yet.
-The USNS John Lewis has a length of 227.4 m, a beam of 32.4 m, a draft of 10.2 maximum, and a displacement of 49,850 tons. The propulsion of the ship includes two medium-speed Fairbanks-Morse MAN 12V48/60CR diesel engines and two shafts. She can reach a top speed of 20 knots (37 km/h) with a cruising range of 6,147 nautical miles. She has a crew of 125 people.
The USNS John Lewis has a flight deck, 5 refueling stations, and two dry cargo transfer rigs. For its self-protection, the ship can be armed with 12.7mm heavy machine guns, Phalanx Close-In Weapon Systems or SeaRam surface-to-air defense missile system.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/1 ... 8922822658
https://nassco.com/wp-content/uploads/T ... t-2016.pdf
http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/ne ... -ship.html
https://nassco.com/products/constructio ... o-program/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_John ... (T-AO-205)
</evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update loadout of F-16C/D</summary>
<details>An #AirForce F-16 Fighting Falcon based in the Central Command area of operations conduct armed aerial patrols in Somalia. Loadout: 4x AMRAAM, Sniper XR pod, APKWS pod and 2x #2259 GBU-54's.</details>
<evidence>
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/6479202/ ... ave-quartz
https://twitter.com/DVIDSHub/status/1349431023755431936
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... e-missiles
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Add Iranian Dezful Missile 2021</summary>
<detail>New Guided Missile on dual TEL launcher. Looks like Warhead detaches so may want to treat like MIRV. If footage is real CEP is 5m.</detail>
<evidence>
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/dezful.htm
https://twitter.com/Iran_Military/statu ... 0438450176
https://twitter.com/inbarspace/status/1 ... 8665402372
https://twitter.com/AmirIGM/status/1350 ... 65/photo/1
https://twitter.com/AmirIGM/status/1350 ... 12/photo/1
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2019/02/ ... c-missile/
</evidence>