Statistical musings - PBEM endings

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I listed two reasons:

1x Autovictory 1943

3x Opponent dropped the game (specifically, opponent died) [:(]

Add to list: never play Chickenboy.

Ya think.[:)]

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I listed two reasons:

1x Autovictory 1943

3x Opponent dropped the game (specifically, opponent died) [:(]

Add to list: never play Chickenboy.

Ya think.[:)]

AW1 Steve and I played Chickenboy and Mynok in a 2x2 game and we both lived to tell the tale. [:D]

Speaking of which, I didn't see that game listed in CB's post above for his poll answers. [:'(]

(Granted, his partner had to withdraw from the game due to life circumstances and I recall a LOT of Japanese troops cut off and trapped inland in Northern Oz... )

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: USSAmerica

ORIGINAL: rustysi

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna




Add to list: never play Chickenboy.

Ya think.[:)]

AW1 Steve and I played Chickenboy and Mynok in a 2x2 game and we both lived to tell the tale. [:D]

Speaking of which, I didn't see that game listed in CB's post above for his poll answers. [:'(]

(Granted, his partner had to withdraw from the game due to life circumstances and I recall a LOT of Japanese troops cut off and trapped inland in Northern Oz... )

If you read the poll question carefully, you'll see why I didn't include that in the poll answer, knucklehead. "I have WON a WITP-AE full campaign game with stock or DBB scenarios playing the Japanese side because" [:'(]

That 2x2 did NOT end in a Japanese victory. Yeah, after my IJN partner bailed on the game, I was left holding the IJA bag. And by 'bag', I mean the bag full of flaming dog****. That was an unenviable strategic position, wasn't it?

By the way, what became of Lexington, Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown in that game? [:D]

[Chickenboy]

Which reminds me, is Mynok still alive? [:D]

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: USSAmerica

ORIGINAL: rustysi




Ya think.[:)]

AW1 Steve and I played Chickenboy and Mynok in a 2x2 game and we both lived to tell the tale. [:D]

Speaking of which, I didn't see that game listed in CB's post above for his poll answers. [:'(]

(Granted, his partner had to withdraw from the game due to life circumstances and I recall a LOT of Japanese troops cut off and trapped inland in Northern Oz... )

If you read the poll question carefully, you'll see why I didn't include that in the poll answer, knucklehead. "I have WON a WITP-AE full campaign game with stock or DBB scenarios playing the Japanese side because" [:'(]

That 2x2 did NOT end in a Japanese victory. Yeah, after my IJN partner bailed on the game, I was left holding the IJA bag. And by 'bag', I mean the bag full of flaming dog****. That was an unenviable strategic position, wasn't it?

By the way, what became of Lexington, Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown in that game? [:D]

Oh, that's right! This one should go on MY and Steve's lists! [:D]

I don't know what happened to those CV's in that game. Steve was running the USN. [:'(]

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Which reminds me, is Mynok still alive? [:D]

I haven't talked to him in a long time. Actually since you and Steve visited here while Torsten was here. I hope he is well.

[pontiouspilot]

There...I just voted for all the games I can remember....I still have 3 ongoing

[JoV]

Have had two games, both as Japan. One where my opponent disappeared July 42, the other where I conceded in early January 42 as I felt it wasn't a good matchup for either of us.

Interesting to see what results this might throw up. Once you get into late 42 I imagine a decent proportion of games subsequently go fairly deep.

[LargeSlowTarget]

Bump for games which have ended since the last post in 2019.

Stats so far show that about half the games end due to rage-quitting / abandoning / personal reasons. Discounting the 1941/1942 surrenders which I suspect are due to player mismatch, beginner mistakes etc., there are 11 Japanese "wins" including 4 auto-victories and 14 Allied "wins" including 4 auto-victories. Just taking the games which have reached 1945 and beyond, there are 2 "wins" for Japan and 6 "wins" for the Allies.

[Ambassador]

I have added one result (1945 auto victory for the Allies), game finished in 2016 (or 17 ? Hard to tell) but I hadn’t seen your poll (I barely haunted it the last few years). Very interesting.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Stats so far show that about half the games end due to rage-quitting / abandoning.

Sudden carrier loss syndrome ?

[RhinoDad]

Looking forward to seeing the results of the query. Do not know how to see results without completing query.

Have recently returned to the game after just under a decade of not playing. Before AE played Witp for a number of years. Would imagine that with a game that is something of a lifestyle and long term commitment, because of length and depth of game, that far too many end in one player walking away.

Have never played another player. Thinking that once you got a good grasp of the game mechanics that a multiplayer game would be just about as good as computer game gets. It would be hard to give so much to a game then have it ended before one can see the results, as it takes so much time for results from planning unfold.

Does Japan win many without serious errors by allies, or does game scoring balance that out?

[1275psi]

Deep into 45 mutual draw playing as japan
2 allied players quit in 42
I quit in 42 after being insulted on the forum
Lost in 43 as allies
Had a jap player quit in 42 when the fun finished
Deep into 44 now as allies and going 5o lose but going to the finish

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: 1275psi

Deep into 45 mutual draw playing as japan
2 allied players quit in 42
I quit in 42 after being insulted on the forum
Lost in 43 as allies
Had a jap player quit in 42 when the fun finished
Deep into 44 now as allies and going 5o lose but going to the finish

Herb, looking for your next AAR .... please!

[&o][&o][&o]

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I listed two reasons:

1x Autovictory 1943

3x Opponent dropped the game (specifically, opponent died) [:(]

Yeah, well, I think he knew the odds of finishing the game when he started ...

RIP Sqz

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: obvert

The list of possible ending should include quit for personal reasons. GreyJoy and I had a game in 43, going well, and he had to discontinue. It had nothing to do with the game or anything happening within it. I bet it's one of the most common categories for games ending, as evidenced by some of the posts above.

Yeah, I would agree. RL happens.

Speaking of GJ, have you heard from him?

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: jwolf

ORIGINAL: obvert

The list of possible ending should include quit for personal reasons.

Or at least, reasons not directly connected to the game. My one and only PBEM experience was a newbie vs. newbie game against Malagant, he as Japan and I as Allies. The game got only about 5 months in, to mid-May of 1942, when he vanished from communication. But the Japanese were dominating my forces easily pretty much everywhere, and as far as I could tell they were in a very good position. I could only guess that he had some sort of personal circumstances that came up; perhaps even a tragedy, but I never knew. In any case it would be grossly dishonest for me to count this as a victory even though my opponent did quit.

I respectfully disagree. An opponent that drops a game without communicating the reasons why or offering an 'out' for another player to step into his stead is breaking the pact. Quitting like that is tantamount to admitting defeat. It's certainly understandable if they have a terminal health problem, but-in your case-it's far more likely that the person just became bored with the game and 'ghosted' you. I consider that sort of action to be extremely disrespectful and it's worthy of putting them in the box of 'losers'.

How hard would it have been for your opponent to send you an email to clarify this? After you spent hundreds of hours on the game, he just disappears? Seriously, how long does it take to send an email saying, "I'm not having fun with this game. I'm sorry, but I can't do this for another 4 years. I resign. You win. Thanks for the game." Again, if he's sick and / or dead, I get it. But the vast majority of games ending aren't because someone dies. Unless that happens (it's happened three times to me), they have no right to say anything other than 'they lost'.

I would hazard a bet that if someone drops a game AND drops off the forums entirely, a catastrophic life event has happened. As you say, pretty easy to send a note. But how many spouses would know to send it. How many have written instructions to do so in the event it would be needed?

Now, if you see activity on the account, that's another thing. But an account going completely inactive, that's not just a game drop. Just my opinion ...

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: obvert

The list of possible ending should include quit for personal reasons. GreyJoy and I had a game in 43, going well, and he had to discontinue. It had nothing to do with the game or anything happening within it. I bet it's one of the most common categories for games ending, as evidenced by some of the posts above.

Yeah, I would agree. RL happens.

Speaking of GJ, have you heard from him?

Greyjoy's father passed when he quit the game he had going where he had just invaded Japan. GJ took it very hard, and I think he might have been having girlfriend problems too because he had been seeing several and seemed to be getting closer to one. And he had very busy work at the time (he is a lawyer).

But during the thread on Coronavirus I thought someone ID'd the Italian gent from the Milan area (Falco?) as GJ. It was more of a hint than a confirmation IIRC. And about a year ago GJ did drop in for a couple of posts before disappearing again. My bet is that he is a young man whose real life marriage?/career/extended family/financial issues just ate up all the time he previously had to play. I know I could not have played this game until my kids grew up and moved out.

[RangerJoe]

Falco has posted that he has two daughters, one of whom is going to college in Milan while the other is in London, England. He also posted about his restaurant being closed, which is located in the "toe" of Italy.

[LargeSlowTarget]

Something is wrong with the poll. When I checked yesterday before bumping the thread, I have seen 31 votes for Japanese wins and 39 votes for Allied wins. Checking today, I see but 18 resp 12 votes. WTF? [&:] [X(] Looks like adding new votes after the poll lay dormant for more than a year has broken it. So unfortunately it is pointless to continue this exercise [:(]

[PaxMondo]

rats!