Light Tripwire?

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:29 pm

I developed this Light CC titan, the Mangler, and only recently noticed its resemblance to the Recon Tripwire. It has a Level 3 life support because one of my test jocks was smacked twice by a neutron blaster. Zip attached. Any comments?

Titan Name: Mangler Close Combat Light Titan
Chassis: Morola L2 Design: Peter Why

Weapons:

[RA ] VIBRA CLAW
[LA ] POWER AXE
[LT ] E.M. PULSER
[LT ] MEDIUM LASER

Total Armor: 363 [APts]

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Titan Name: Tripwire Short Range Recon Titan
Chassis: Cyber C-R1 Design: Bblue

Weapons

[LT ] E.M. PULSER
[RA ] PULSE LASER
[LA ] VIBRA CLAW

Total Armor: 246 [APts]

Sleeping_Dragon · Post by **Sleeping_Dragon** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:52 am

Peter Why wrote:It has a Level 3 life support because one of my test jocks was smacked twice by a neutron blaster.

hehe:D looks like you ran into a Paladin. Nasty they are

As for the Mangler, only thing I could spot was a extra mm of armor in the LoT/LT/RT.. pull these off and add an extra AP in the CT, other then that looks solid, the player will have to keep an eye on thier heat and power usage as there are a lot of situations that could put strain on these. One of the 'use the right equipment at the right time' things.

You do have a lot of left over internal slots, may want to try to build this one on a L1 chassis instead of a L2, not sure if everything will fit, but it might.
The electronics setup is a little different from what I normally run, with the very small BC and scanner, but all the 'bells and whistles' you get for this makes up for it, especially in a light. A light with DCS and Shields.. nice. A jock with a little more then normal experience for a light can probably do well in this one and have lots of oppurtunities to get OXPs.

btw.. when you post your printout, go ahead and post the whole printout. I was really surprised when I downloaded this one and saw all the electronics and them not being mentioned anywhere in the post. Not to mention its nice to see the armor layout.

Sleeping_Dragon · Post by **Sleeping_Dragon** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 4:28 am

Yep it fits on a L1... a few minor changes... took one of the range weapons out of the LT and put it in the head and the new chassis limits CBT to 16 unless you go with duraroy, but you do pick up a BC2 and a few extra APs in the CT and legs. Taks a look and see what you think.

Titan Name: Mangler Close Combat Light Titan
Chassis: Morola L1 Design: Peter Why
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 9 [meter]
Bmt : 22 (54 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.76C/sec.
Jmt : 15 (80 kph) for 53 secs Cost : 143589($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location
Engine :Morola M5 [Engine 5] [CT ]
HeatReg.:Delinit H4 [Heat 4]
Shield :Simson-Light [Shld1] [RT ]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys M [Scan. 2] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [RT ]
E.C.M. :Lios [E.C.M. 2] [LT ]
JumpPort:J.U.W.E.L. [Jump 1]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/Slots
[LT ] E.M. PULSER
[Head] MEDIUM LASER
[RA ] VIBRA CLAW
[LA ] POWER AXE

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm
[Head] (11) Dullaroy (W) 016 [023mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium (W) 022 [037mm]
[CT ] (19) Millenia MAX 024 [048mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium (S) 016 [027mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium (W) 022 [037mm]
[RA ] (17) Vicenium (W) 020 [034mm]
[LA ] (17) Vicenium (W) 020 [034mm]
[LowT] (11) Vicenium (S) 022 [037mm]
[RL ] (15) Millenia (W) 021 [042mm]
[LL ] (15) Millenia (W) 021 [042mm]
Armor Index: 5.06 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 150 [APts]
External: 204 [APts] Max:[048mm]
Total Armor: 354 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Defense Scanner Warfare(ECM)
Skills : D.C. Scout

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:33 pm

Thanks, I'll have a closer look. I was thinking of removing the ECM in favour of a little more armour. Trouble with ECM is that its effects are invisible! I'll test both ways and repost.

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:36 pm

... oh, and, yes, I love having DCS in a light, especially CC .. even if it's only for the psychological boost of seeing damage negated.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:13 am

A lot like my FacelessButcher (did I ever get around to posting it?) though it was quite weak in some ways. IIRC it had a neutron blaster instead of med. laser, not enough power to run both beams at once. Meh. Not many people like my titans anyway, so at least the general idea is geting recognition now that it's not stuck with my label

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:49 pm

(My apologies if this posts twice; an earlier posting hasn't displayed .. probably my mistake.)
I tend not to use neutron blasters, as they seem to rely too much on luck to be effective .. although I've been walloped a few times .. yes, Bblue, by that blasted Paladin.

Here's the (probably) final Mangler (saved in the zip as Mangler3). I've removed the ECM, upgraded the heat regulator from 4 to 5 and boosted the armour by ten points (I couldn't fit Millenia to the right and left torso to go with the new heat reg because of the weight). Heat reduction has improved from 2.76 to 2.84, and according to the pinboard power usage is slightly improved, too.

Thanks for your help, Bblue.

Titan Name: Mangler Close Combat Light Titan
Chassis: Morola L1 Design: Peter Why
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Weight: 69.9t (70t maximum) Height : 9 [meter]
Bmt : 22 (54 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.84C/sec.
Jmt : 15 (80 kph) for 53 secs Cost : 146223($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M5 [Engine 5] [CT ]
HeatReg.:Smac Corp. [Heat 5]
Shield :Simson-Light [Shld1] [RT ]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys M [Scan. 2] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [RT ]
JumpPort:J.U.W.E.L. [Jump 1]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/Slots

[LT ] E.M. PULSER
[RA ] VIBRA CLAW
[LA ] POWER AXE
[Head] MEDIUM LASER

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 016 [023mm]
[RT ] (17) Vicenium 023 [039mm]
[CT ] (19) Millenia MAX 024 [048mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium (S) 016 [027mm]
[LT ] (17) Vicenium 023 [039mm]
[RA ] (17) Vicenium 022 [038mm]
[LA ] (17) Vicenium 022 [037mm]
[LowT] (11) Vicenium (S) 022 [037mm]
[RL ] (15) Millenia 023 [046mm]
[LL ] (15) Millenia 023 [046mm]

Armor Index: 5.21 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 150 [APts]
External: 214 [APts] Max:[048mm]
Total Armor: 364 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Defense Scanner
Skills : D.C. Scout

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:56 pm

I forgot to say: I've done a few simple tests in the Core arena. No problems with overheating in an undamaged titan. It runs (and flies over lava) without overheating. with the shield operating. Firing all four weapons took temp up by 44 degrees. Cooling (standing still) from 160 degrees to 73 degrees (including four small laser hits on the shield), took 41 seconds.
My impression is that Core isn't as demanding as Hell in version 1.4.

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:18 pm

Remove 1mm in the RA

Personally, in CC titans I prefer having the 2 weapons of the same type, maximizing their effect.
Just by looking at it, it is prone to overheating if you alpha. Controlled fire of the ML should overcome this. The problem with Core is not if it overheats or not while running with shield on, it's if it cools down fast enough without significant loss of firepower.
Notice that in Core, jumping is more heat-efficient than running.

Core hasn't changed from v1.4 (apart from the name).

Sleeping_Dragon · Post by **Sleeping_Dragon** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:15 am

Coyote27 wrote:A lot like my FacelessButcher (did I ever get around to posting it?) though it was quite weak in some ways. IIRC it had a neutron blaster instead of med. laser, not enough power to run both beams at once. Meh. Not many people like my titans anyway, so at least the general idea is geting recognition now that it's not stuck with my label

Yep you posted the FaclessButcher... I liked it and IIRC it did have a NB... although... I renamed it to just Butcher.. it's an active titan in my database and shoots at me on occasion:p. It, along with the Paladin, are the reasons I started leaning to larger LS in some of my smaller titan designs.

Actually, for as close in weapons layout as the FacelessButcher and the Mangler are, everything else is very different. Butcher takes more of a 'manly man' approach with heavier armor and good BC and scanner; while the Mangler take the 'James Bond gadget/finesse approach to defence). Even though the weapons or pretty close I think I'm gong to keep both in my personal database.

Sleeping_Dragon · Post by **Sleeping_Dragon** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:09 am

Hmmmm... Your call on the Mangler, but.... not sure on the bigger heat sinks if they are only giving you -.08 C/Sec improvement. Was the earlier version running too hot? I'd suggest going back to a little lighter armor and trying to get those torsos to Milinia... would put you at -3.15C/Sec (I think) that would be -.39C/Sec improvement instead of -.08C/Sec.. if you really wanted the heavier armor, what about getting rid of the jump ports and improve the armor and some electronics? Could also go with Titanium in the CT (Milinia in the torsos) and go above 24 APs there with a heat dissapation of -3.11C/Sec. Just some of my thoughts

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:24 pm

Yes, I was surprised that the improvement was so little with the improved heat reg. I'll try without jump ports ... but they're very useful in the Core arena, where I've been doing the final testing.

Sleeping_Dragon · Post by **Sleeping_Dragon** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:16 am

Peter Why wrote:Yes, I was surprised that the improvement was so little with the improved heat reg. I'll try without jump ports ... but they're very useful in the Core arena, where I've been doing the final testing.

yep.. hurt me to suggest it, especially for a CC titan and the loss of DfA and DfA defence, but -.08C/Sec blows for 2 1/2 tons of wieght.. something's gotta give and it will be designer's call on what.

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:47 pm

I'm not at my computer with the Mangler design, but I downgraded the life support to level 2, kept the jump ports, and gained Millenia in the L&R torso. Improved details later.

Peter Why · Post by **Peter Why** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:30 pm

Sorry about the delay; dismantling my computer.

Here's the final version. BTW, has any design been given a full set of green dots by the pinboard? (This one doesn't even manage one green.) ... and should a titan's usefulness be judged mostly on that basis?

Titan Name: Mangler Close Combat Light Titan
Chassis: Morola L1 Design: Peter Why
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Weight: 70.0t (70t maximum) Height : 9 [meter]
Bmt : 22 (54 kph) Reduce Heat: -3.11C/sec.
Jmt : 15 (80 kph) for 53 secs Cost : 144365($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M5 [Engine 5] [CT ]
HeatReg.:Smac Corp. [Heat 5]
Shield :Simson-Light [Shld1] [RT ]
D.C.S. :Repakoff [D.C.S.1] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:Phillippi [Life 2] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys M [Scan. 2] [LT ]
Computer:CyberSys [Comp. 2] [RT ]
JumpPort:J.U.W.E.L. [Jump 1]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/Slots

[LT ] E.M. PULSER
[RA ] VIBRA CLAW
[LA ] POWER AXE
[Head] MEDIUM LASER

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm

[Head] (11) Dullaroy 016 [023mm]
[RT ] (17) Millenia (W) 023 [046mm]
[CT ] (19) Millenia MAX 024 [048mm]
[CBT ] (11) Vicenium (S) 016 [027mm]
[LT ] (17) Millenia (W) 023 [046mm]
[RA ] (17) Vicenium (W) 022 [037mm]
[LA ] (17) Vicenium (W) 022 [037mm]
[LowT] (11) Vicenium (S) 022 [037mm]
[RL ] (15) Millenia (W) 023 [046mm]
[LL ] (15) Millenia (W) 023 [046mm]

Armor Index: 5.20 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 150 [APts]
External: 214 [APts] Max:[048mm]
Total Armor: 364 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: Light Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Defense Scanner
Skills : D.C. Medic Scout

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:36 pm

Take the ratings with a grain of salt, especially in energy-based titans. The pinboard calculates the power management as if the titan is using all power-sucking devices/actions to its fullest consumption. This is not the case most of the times during battle - for example, having different sets of energy weapons for different ranges, to overcome min range.
The pinboard should be used as a primary evaluation tool, but the battlefield should be your real judge.