OT: War on the Sea

[prithupaul]

War on the Sea is absolutely dreadful. It is an insult to terms such as "wargame" or "simulator" which they put in their store page. A slap in the face of realism and historical accuracy.

It ignores basic fundamentals of warfare such as leadership, personnel, organization, command and control etc.

It is essentially a micromanagement game in the vein of primitive generic RTSs where the fleet commander directly controls a fleet of brainless clones, and points and fires guns manually. It is a game for children to look at pretty ships and planes go "boom boom".

Sorry it sounds harsh. Just frustrated with a slew of arcade formulaic clickfest games like this made by lazy unambitious devs masquerading as wargames and simulators. Especially saddening to see it mentioned in the forum for War in the Pacific which is at the other end of the spectrum. Developers like these should be strapped to a chair and forced to learn to play WitP and understand what a realistic in-depth wargame should be like.

[adarbrauner]

ORIGINAL: prithupaul

War on the Sea is absolutely dreadful. It is an insult to terms such as "wargame" or "simulator" which they put in their store page. A slap in the face of realism and historical accuracy.

It ignores basic fundamentals of warfare such as leadership, personnel, organization, command and control etc.

It is essentially a micromanagement game in the vein of primitive generic RTSs where the fleet commander directly controls a fleet of brainless clones, and points and fires guns manually. It is a game for children to look at pretty ships and planes go "boom boom".

Sorry it sounds harsh. Just frustrated with a slew of arcade formulaic clickfest games like this made by lazy unambitious devs masquerading as wargames and simulators. Especially saddening to see it mentioned in the forum for War in the Pacific which is at the other end of the spectrum. Developers like these should be strapped to a chair and forced to learn to play WitP and understand what a realistic in-depth wargame should be like.

Woow, hehehehe


"It ignores basic fundamentals of warfare such as leadership, personnel, organization, command and control etc."

This is true, it lacks them.

On the positive end, it gives me (and you) an extremely good understanding of naval tactics (+ a lot of fun in recreating real naval clashes in history). That's not low value item in my logbook.

And yes, i'd like very much to see the feature "captain injured/killed by shell splinters/blast on the command deck" (but hey, heck, this isn't present even in WITPAE);

moreover, the very complicated mechanics involved in order transmissions from ship to ship etc. (which, BTW are not much developed even in WitPAE) would result in a too..complicated game to be played.

Unless the devs find a way to happily abstract it, thing I'd crave to see one dayn in this game or another similar.

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

I also have Silent Hunter III and IV, both heavily modded.

So guess these are worthwhile from some videos I have seen.. is there also the pacific ? I have SH2 but found SH1 better in fact, but perhaps have not played SH2 much at all, so missed something.

Another good modern fleet game was Janes Fleet Command (Win95/98) and some more action like Strike Fleet (Amiga).

Edit, for WOTS there are already 2 lets play, here is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0gDklNpKg

Looks are fine for me- but if gaming is good enough needs to be seen..

There are so called "super mods" for both SH III (Atlantic) and SH IV (Pacific).

GWX (Grey Wolves Expansion), NYGM (Not Your GrandMother's Mod) for SH III and RFB (Real Fleet Boat), RSRD campaign mod (Run Silent Run Deep) and TMO (Trigger Maru Overhaul) for SH IV. They are all great.

Check them in www.subsim.com