Transport trrops to HK

[wobbleguts]

Hi,

Playing as CW this time. Early on in the game (1940).

The Japs are obviously hitting China hard and India/Malaya are preparing for war, so I get some extra units, including III India corps Malaya. My plan was to move this unit to HK as HK is completely undefended and move 3 UK units to SE Asia to bolster CW defenses.

So I transport III India corps to HK but I can't unload them. I thought this might be because they are described as 'Malaya' - so I moved them back to Singapore.

Dropped 2 UK transported unit in Malaya without any problems. The third went to HK and again I was not able to unload them. Next turn I gave up and went to Brunei instead, but I couldn't unload there either, even though Brunei has a Union Jack flag over it.

Why? I did notice that HK is only aligned to the allies 25% and Brunei 20% but these are British territories! Do I have to spend diplomacy points before I can land troops there? Seems a little unrealistic.

Also, when the Dutch and Belgians were being overrun, they re-based naval units to the UK, but when they surrendered these units just dissapeared from the map. Where did they go? The brits would have boarded the ships and taken control.

Right now, I am re-basing French ships and troops to the UK before France falls. I'm guessing these re-based units will also vanish when France surrenders.

[APrusty]

Hi Wobbleguts!

Hong Kong are neutral and not mobilized yet. Brunei are also neutral. So you can't enter their teritory until they have mobilized. Most often not before Japan declares war on the allies. Malaya is mobilized trough an event.
"Prepare Singapore for war" is an event that let's you pay mpp to mobilize them ahead of other minors.
Now this is all done to simulate historic progression for Japan. If the Allies could just build up defences all over those minors, Japan would get bugged down way ahed of the historic result.

Wanna learn more about HK last stand, check out Kings and Generals video on the topic.

[CaesarAug]

Yes, Minor allies’ units do in fact disappear from the game when their country is overrun and surrenders.
This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

I feel that shouldn’t be the case, actually. Perhaps the developers can change this. Or maybe a modder can figure out a way of getting certain units back. [:D]

[OldCrowBalthazor]

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

Actually, there is a chance for French units to survive to fight on after France's surrender if they are outside France's borders. I believe there's a check on each unit at 20% to become 'Free'.

Anyway...that's why it's always a good choice to skidattle the French engineer unit or surviving aircraft (or anything else) to Britain or Egypt before France falls if given a chance.

[CaesarAug]

Really?? Is that so? You don’t say! That’s neat!
Cool. And it seems reasonable. This could make a Dunkirk a worthwhile evacuation for French units.
Nice. [:D]

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: APrusty

Hi Wobbleguts!

Hong Kong are neutral and not mobilized yet. Brunei are also neutral. So you can't enter their teritory until they have mobilized. Most often not before Japan declares war on the allies. Malaya is mobilized trough an event.
"Prepare Singapore for war" is an event that let's you pay mpp to mobilize them ahead of other minors.
Now this is all done to simulate historic progression for Japan. If the Allies could just build up defences all over those minors, Japan would get bugged down way ahed of the historic result.

That's what I suspected but I don't like it. I mean, OK the game won't let you do it because it would make things harder for Japan (and less historically accurate) but who cares about them? What if a strategic genius (like me) had been in command of the CW, seen the danger in SE Asia and the futility of re-reinforcing France? That would have changed things - shame I can't do it and see the results.

Anyways, I accept the limitations and will move on. At least I will have some additional troops in Malaya.

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

Yes, Minor allies’ units do in fact disappear from the game when their country is overrun and surrenders.
This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

I feel that shouldn’t be the case, actually. Perhaps the developers can change this. Or maybe a modder can figure out a way of getting certain units back. [:D]

Totally agree.

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

Actually, there is a chance for French units to survive to fight on after France's surrender if they are outside France's borders. I believe there's a check on each unit at 20% to become 'Free'.

Anyway...that's why it's always a good choice to skidattle the French engineer unit or surviving aircraft (or anything else) to Britain or Egypt before France falls if given a chance.

Well it's good there is a chance they will convert to free french and I will move as many out as possible. The odds of them converting should be better than 20% though.

[Hubert Cater]

In v1.08.00 the Dutch navy was also made to have a chance to become Free, 25% chance.

Higher percentages could always be edited in for a customized campaign, but in multiplayer you then run the risk of players gaming the system if it becomes something closer to automatic, e.g. players could move their entire French Army to the UK, allow France to surrender, and then do an early D-Day in 1941 with a full Free French Army etc.

[Hubert Cater]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

Yes, Minor allies’ units do in fact disappear from the game when their country is overrun and surrenders.
This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

I feel that shouldn’t be the case, actually. Perhaps the developers can change this. Or maybe a modder can figure out a way of getting certain units back. [:D]

Totally agree.

There is a 20% chance that French land units can become free and join the UK if evacuated to the UK before the Fall of France.

[Hubert Cater]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

ORIGINAL: APrusty

Hi Wobbleguts!

Hong Kong are neutral and not mobilized yet. Brunei are also neutral. So you can't enter their teritory until they have mobilized. Most often not before Japan declares war on the allies. Malaya is mobilized trough an event.
"Prepare Singapore for war" is an event that let's you pay mpp to mobilize them ahead of other minors.
Now this is all done to simulate historic progression for Japan. If the Allies could just build up defences all over those minors, Japan would get bugged down way ahed of the historic result.

That's what I suspected but I don't like it. I mean, OK the game won't let you do it because it would make things harder for Japan (and less historically accurate) but who cares about them? What if a strategic genius (like me) had been in command of the CW, seen the danger in SE Asia and the futility of re-reinforcing France? That would have changed things - shame I can't do it and see the results.

Anyways, I accept the limitations and will move on. At least I will have some additional troops in Malaya.

If you are playing single player against the AI then a quick edit to fully mobilize these nations should then allow you to move units between these areas as desired. If it is not enough you might have to set them to war against someone, so you could set them to war against Germany, hypothetically, so that it doesn't throw off the balance at least in the Pacific as you won't yet be at war with Japan until they declare war.

If this is for multiplayer, and your opponent is on board, you could use the same modified campaign in a multiplayer game by sending the edited campaign to your opponent and then you can both play as you'll both have the same campaign on both PCs.

Hope this helps,
Hubert

[wobbleguts]

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If you are playing single player against the AI then a quick edit to fully mobilize these nations should then allow you to move units between these areas as desired. If it is not enough you might have to set them to war against someone, so you could set them to war against Germany, hypothetically, so that it doesn't throw off the balance at least in the Pacific as you won't yet be at war with Japan until they declare war.

If this is for multiplayer, and your opponent is on board, you could use the same modified campaign in a multiplayer game by sending the edited campaign to your opponent and then you can both play as you'll both have the same campaign on both PCs.
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Am playing single player. Stupid questions follow - Is the option to change this under advanced options? If so where? if you have to do it in the editor that is out of my league for now. No idea how to use it.

[USGrant1962]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

ORIGINAL: APrusty

Hi Wobbleguts!

Hong Kong are neutral and not mobilized yet. Brunei are also neutral. So you can't enter their teritory until they have mobilized. Most often not before Japan declares war on the allies. Malaya is mobilized trough an event.
"Prepare Singapore for war" is an event that let's you pay mpp to mobilize them ahead of other minors.
Now this is all done to simulate historic progression for Japan. If the Allies could just build up defences all over those minors, Japan would get bugged down way ahed of the historic result.

That's what I suspected but I don't like it. I mean, OK the game won't let you do it because it would make things harder for Japan (and less historically accurate) but who cares about them? What if a strategic genius (like me) had been in command of the CW, seen the danger in SE Asia and the futility of re-reinforcing France? That would have changed things - shame I can't do it and see the results.

Anyways, I accept the limitations and will move on. At least I will have some additional troops in Malaya.

I hear you about the Commonwealth areas, I tried some pre-emptive moves in the Pacific too. But I also see the design issues.

IMO, if the game were to be that flexible for the Allies it would need similar flexibility for the Axis. And that all but requires starting in 1938 or 1936 like some mods and some other games do. And then you should remove all build limits. And then you would want to add a more comprehensive diplomacy system. And pretty soon you have a mid-20th Century sandbox and not a WWII wargame, not that there is anything wrong with that. But that is not SC's focus.

[Hubert Cater]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

Am playing single player. Stupid questions follow - Is the option to change this under advanced options? If so where? if you have to do it in the editor that is out of my league for now. No idea how to use it.

This can only be done with direct campaign edits via the Editor. I would say to open it up and give it a try, it is quite powerful, it is the same one we use to design the game and to make this change is not too tricky to be honest.

Open the desired campaign, select SaveAs to immediately save it as a customized campaign, and then navigate to Campaign->Edit Country Data.

You'll see a list of countries that are in game on the left side, select the desired country and then set their alignment if needed to Allied, and then set them to 100% mobilization.

Do this for each country and then save.

Try this and if it still doesn't work then you might have to set those edited nations to be at war with someone, and in your case I would try setting them to Germany (this can be done on the same screen as before in the Editor), and then try that.

Hope this helps,
Hubert

[CaesarAug]

Yes, this reasoning makes complete sense. It would be quite unrealistic to evacuate the entire French Army to the UK, awaiting for the “inevitable” French surrender. And then using it for an early D-Day.

The developers have chosen a reasonable and balanced approach. [:)]

[CaesarAug]

ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

In v1.08.00 the Dutch navy was also made to have a chance to become Free, 25% chance.

Higher percentages could always be edited in for a customized campaign, but in multiplayer you then run the risk of players gaming the system if it becomes something closer to automatic, e.g. players could move their entire French Army to the UK, allow France to surrender, and then do an early D-Day in 1941 with a full Free French Army etc.

Yes, this reasoning makes complete sense. It would be quite unrealistic to evacuate the entire French Army to the UK, awaiting for the “inevitable” French surrender. And then using it for an early D-Day.

The developers have chosen a reasonable and balanced approach. [&o][:)]

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

This also occurs with Major allies; i.e., French units sheltered in the UK will likewise disappear when France surrenders.

Actually, there is a chance for French units to survive to fight on after France's surrender if they are outside France's borders. I believe there's a check on each unit at 20% to become 'Free'.

Anyway...that's why it's always a good choice to skidattle the French engineer unit or surviving aircraft (or anything else) to Britain or Egypt before France falls if given a chance.

Well it's good there is a chance they will convert to free french and I will move as many out as possible. The odds of them converting should be better than 20% though.

NOTE: You can't rebase any French units to CW territory. Game won't allow it (which is ok). When France falls, some French territories etc join the free french - probably the random 20% rule. Don't think the CW can do anything to get more frenchies to join them.

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

Am playing single player. Stupid questions follow - Is the option to change this under advanced options? If so where? if you have to do it in the editor that is out of my league for now. No idea how to use it.

This can only be done with direct campaign edits via the Editor. I would say to open it up and give it a try, it is quite powerful, it is the same one we use to design the game and to make this change is not too tricky to be honest.

Open the desired campaign, select SaveAs to immediately save it as a customized campaign, and then navigate to Campaign->Edit Country Data.

You'll see a list of countries that are in game on the left side, select the desired country and then set their alignment if needed to Allied, and then set them to 100% mobilization.

Do this for each country and then save.

Try this and if it still doesn't work then you might have to set those edited nations to be at war with someone, and in your case I would try setting them to Germany (this can be done on the same screen as before in the Editor), and then try that.

Hope this helps,
Hubert

Thanks. I will play the current game a bit more but when I start the campaign again I will do as you suggest. Sounds interesting!

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: CaesarAug

Yes, this reasoning makes complete sense. It would be quite unrealistic to evacuate the entire French Army to the UK, awaiting for the “inevitable” French surrender. And then using it for an early D-Day.

The developers have chosen a reasonable and balanced approach. [:)]

The game takes care of this. You can't rebase any French units to CW territory. Game won't allow it (which is ok). When France falls, some French territories etc join the free french - probably the random 20% rule. Don't think the CW can do anything to get more frenchies to join them.

[Hubert Cater]

Hi Wobbleguts,

The French can actually move from France into the UK before France falls. They can also move into any active, e.g. mobilized and belligerent, Commonwealth territories like Jordan, Palestine, Egypt etc.

Then depending upon the formation of Vichy France or not, there is the following % chance that a French unit can become "free" upon a French surrender.

Vichy France (YES)
Land - 20%
Naval - 0%


Vichy France (NO)
Land - 40%
Naval - 40%

Hope this helps,
Hubert