Why?

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:59 am

Why can't we have a Turn Based game that uses graphic like in the RTS games? Take Medieval Total War for example, I would love to see that game turned base.

Fredflak · Post by **Fredflak** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:46 pm

Well i'm not sure what you mean. But if you mean a 3D engine for battles in a turn based game. Well you will find that in the Combat Mission games, they are turn based where you give orders for the turn, and you can watch the action in 3D.

Eric Young · Post by **Eric Young** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:29 pm

Squad Assault also has a turn based option.

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siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:30 am

I'll have to check Squad Assult out. Its hard to out into words but why can't turn based players get games that look like this.
You could have many men in a unt and move/fire it as one unit. Each man could represent any number of men.

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:17 am

Heheh - I know someone who might get a kick out of seeing this

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:11 pm

Kid wrote:I'll have to check Squad Assult out. Its hard to out into words but why can't turn based players get games that look like this.
You could have many men in a unt and move/fire it as one unit. Each man could represent any number of men.

Don't have to go that far... as Eric stated EYSA does it just fine. Without any "posterboard" imitation units. Full 3D.

Of course... you won't be harvesting wood/rock/iron/gold/fish/meat. Just concentrating on tactics.

Mac_MatrixForum · Post by **Mac_MatrixForum** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:05 pm

Kid wrote:Each man could represent any number of men.

Just a quick opinion here. I don't like that at all.

I want my men to represent the men actually fighting there with 1-1 correspondence. This is for tactical games. For strategic level games I want neat, informative, symbolic icons.

A generic tank or soldier representing a division shooting at others in animated 3D glory, yippee :p. No offense meant but that is just ... lame, IMNSHO. I can stomach a small picture of the most representative equipment the unit has as part of the unit's icon or especially in an encyclopedia but that's it. I'm not playing with toy soldiers here, I can do that with my miniatures when I want

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EDIT: spelling

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:19 pm

I'm thinking more along the lines of US Civil War and Napoleon games. Take Talonsoft's Battleground series for example. The Graphics were very good at the time but they were still 2D done from a 3/4 view. Why not re-do them using true 3D giving the player the ability to zoom and Pan. Make the terrain much more realistic.

I've been playing board games since 1967 and I have hundreds of miniatures. I want to use the power of the computer to combine the two. I would like to see the Turn based-games catch up to the RTS in terms of graphics. I only play turn-based games.

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:40 pm

Talonsoft's Battleground series was all about WWII. I have plenty of them.

Don't get me wrong - I love the age of reason for battles. There's just not much to choose from.

As for miniatures... as stated before, you can set the time in between giving orders, you can give orders while things are happening, you can give orders during those self-same pauses, you can even pause them in single player and order when you feel like it. I understand you're an old-timer tabletop hexer as many of us are. The extra added part is that all the units can be easily painted. Amongst other things.

You sound like a modder at heart - especially with your miniature preference. Ever feel like seeing your paints actually moving in real time??

You cannot tell me this looks unappealing... especially if you can paint everything.

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:15 pm

WOAH that's the BEST screenshot I've seen yet of EYSA Nefarious, can you post some more??? Some H2H action maybe??? Or is that allowed? Don't wanna do anything against the rules.

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:18 pm

Oh and MAC did you ever play STEEL PANTHERS? heh, as I recall there was "one" icon for a group of tanks in that game.

Four or Five tanks per icon....wasn't there? hehe

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:58 pm

ravinhood wrote:WOAH that's the BEST screenshot I've seen yet of EYSA Nefarious, can you post some more??? Some H2H action maybe??? Or is that allowed? Don't wanna do anything against the rules.

That was a screenie from an H2H game.... check the EYSA board from a month or two ago. There are tons of screenies there.

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:00 am

LOL DUH! I meant HAND to HAND combat, not HEAD to HEAD! lol

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:03 am

I'm sure there are some in there if you look. Otherwise, I'll get a shot for you in the next couple days.

Mac_MatrixForum · Post by **Mac_MatrixForum** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:55 am

ravinhood wrote:Oh and MAC did you ever play STEEL PANTHERS? heh, as I recall there was "one" icon for a group of tanks in that game. Four or Five tanks per icon....wasn't there? hehe

Yes I did play, no there weren't. One icon for one tank, thank you. Even in Steel Panthers 3 there were all those little icons for all the tanks, not that I played more than the demo of it.

I'll up the stakes by saying that Combat Mission has not appealed to me mainly because a group of men is a lousy three guys there. EYSA looks so much better with each man being portrayed

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A game I own that has used the icons I despise nowadays is Alpha Centauri. Pretty fun game but doesn't look good.

Also, I prefer my tactical games to be real time or at least simultaneous execution and strategy games turn-based.

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:00 am

Mac wrote: I'll up the stakes by saying that Combat Mission has not appealed to me mainly because a group of men is a lousy three guys there. EYSA looks so much better with each man being portrayed .

Yep, same reason I don't play it habitually. The legos representing a squad is a bit of a turn off. It's just plain un-sexy. Especially when they move.

Just doesn't give me the impression of a squad. Suspension of disbelief? Nope.

laika · Post by **laika** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:10 pm

Well, there is a good game turn-base with 3d graf. Only problem it is set in future. Take a look at battle Isle 4 (Andosia War) .I played that one for a hole time. i loved it even it wasn't a ww2 setting.

www.bluebyte.net

greetz

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:42 am

NefariousKoel wrote:Talonsoft's Battleground series was all about WWII. I have plenty of them.

Battlegroung 2 - Gettysburg
Battlegroung 3 - Waterloo
Battleground 4 - Shilo
Battlegroung 5 - Antietam
Battleground 6 - Napoleon in Russia
Battlegroung 8 - Prelude to Waterloo
Battleground 9 - Chickamauga

Are the ones I own.

I have all thier WWII games as well. However, I am not just talking about one specific era...I would love all wargames to go 3D turn based.

siRkid · Post by **siRkid** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:45 am

[QUOTE=NefariousKoel]Talonsoft's Battleground series was all about WWII. I have plenty of them.

Don't get me wrong - I love the age of reason for battles. There's just not much to choose from.

As for miniatures... as stated before, you can set the time in between giving orders, you can give orders while things are happening, you can give orders during those self-same pauses, you can even pause them in single player and order when you feel like it. I understand you're an old-timer tabletop hexer as many of us are. The extra added part is that all the units can be easily painted. Amongst other things.

You sound like a modder at heart - especially with your miniature preference. Ever feel like seeing your paints actually moving in real time??

You cannot tell me this looks unappealing... especially if you can paint everything.

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You've won me over I'll get this game and give it a try. The grapic you posted is very nice and has me wanting to lead an assult.

NefariousKoel · Post by **NefariousKoel** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:45 am

Oops! Was thinking their Campaign Series.

Too many series overloading my memory.