Required Support for ground troops

swagman · Post by **swagman** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:45 am

I am busy transporting and moving troops to my front-line bases. I notice that each unit has SUPPORT REQUIRED and SUPPORT AVAILABLE. Each base also shows these, which I assume to be the total for units at that base.

Many of these units and bases now have a SUPPORT REQUIRED that significantly exceeds the SUPPORT ABVAILABLE. I have searched the manual and found NO meaningful reference to these terms. Aviation Support is covered, but that is easily adjusted by moving Base Units where needed.

I note that each unit comes with its own support component, which I assume would be enough to fully support that unit. Can anyone provide an explanation of why a unit has less support than required, when it has its full support component at a fully supplied base? All I can think of is that the fatigue/disruption has incapacitated a percentage of the support units, but fresh troops even appear to have less than specified REQUIRED SUPPORT; or that a lack of supplies might render the supply component less than 100% effective, but that would not apply at a fully supplied base.

The next question is how to restore a unit to full support and reducing the shortfall to zero. If it has to do with fatigue/disruption, then resting/defending in a large base will work. Are there any other ways to reduce fatigue/disruption. As well, is disruption treated separately to fatigue?

Are there any units that improve the ground unit support level? EG, an HQ or a base unit? I know base units provide aviation support, but what about ground unit?

Any other advice on REQUIRED SUPPORT management would be appreciated.

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 3:55 am

Hi, Many units, Regt, RCT, belong to a larger formation. Japanese formations are the South Seas Detachment, Independant Brigades and several divsions.
The sub units do not have enough support to fully maintain the units. The HQ of the formation fills this requirement.
There are also Corps/Army/Theatre HQ. These make up the shortage for units that do not have a higher HQ.

Also HQ increase the effectiveness of units under their control.

Gecko · Post by **Gecko** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:10 pm

Hi, I've got a question about that "Support / Support required" issue. As I understood it a fighting unit does not have all support units attached that it needs. These additional support units are provided by the HQ unit of that particular fighting unit.
Currently I'm going to invade GiliGili and invaded the hex north of GG.
My invasion forces consist of:

Code: Select all

                   attached to  Support  Support required
HQ  25.Div           SOPAC        69             0
HQ  3.Austr.Div.     SWPAC        51             0
INF 27. RCT          25.Div      120           137
INF 36. RCT          25.Div      120           138
INF 161. RCT         25.Div      120           137
ENG 65.Eng.Btl.      25.Div       14            20
INF 4.Austr.Brig.    3.Austr.Div 144           149
INF 10.Austr.Brig.   3.Austr.Div 141           152

My problem here is, that I cannot see any increase of support given by the HQs. All
support values of the INF/ENG are provided by them!
I would expect that HQ of 3rd Austr. Div. provides additional 51 support points
to 4th/10th Brig increasing their support by 25 and 26 points.
Can anyone explain that matter to me?

thanx, Gecko

Peteg77 · Post by **Peteg77** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:01 pm

Hey,

I would think it is the total overall support at the base versus individual units. I believe the theory is to keep the subunits with the HQ they belong to instead of scattering them all over the place. Those HQs provide the difference from what the units themselves lack.

I think in the grand scheme of things that if you gave every unit the amount of support it needs to be self sufficient you wouldn't need HQs etc.

Pete

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:50 pm

Gecko wrote:Hi, I've got a question about that "Support / Support required" issue. As I understood it a fighting unit does not have all support units attached that it needs. These additional support units are provided by the HQ unit of that particular fighting unit.
Currently I'm going to invade GiliGili and invaded the hex north of GG.
My invasion forces consist of:
Code: Select all
                   attached to  Support  Support required
HQ  25.Div           SOPAC        69             0
HQ  3.Austr.Div.     SWPAC        51             0
INF 27. RCT          25.Div      120           137
INF 36. RCT          25.Div      120           138
INF 161. RCT         25.Div      120           137
ENG 65.Eng.Btl.      25.Div       14            20
INF 4.Austr.Brig.    3.Austr.Div 144           149
INF 10.Austr.Brig.   3.Austr.Div 141           152
My problem here is, that I cannot see any increase of support given by the HQs. All
support values of the INF/ENG are provided by them!
I would expect that HQ of 3rd Austr. Div. provides additional 51 support points
to 4th/10th Brig increasing their support by 25 and 26 points.
Can anyone explain that matter to me?

thanx, Gecko

Support points are per hex if the units above were the only units at in a hex then Support Required would be 733 and the Support Aviable would be 779. Thus all units are supported.

If you had all the above units except HQ 3. Austr.Div are in the same hex then the Support Required would be 733 and the Support Aviable would be 728, then the units in this hex would not be fully supported and suffer from the effects.

IIRC you onlys see the total Support Aviable/Required when there is a base in the Hex.

Hope this helps.

Gecko · Post by **Gecko** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:05 pm

thanks pbear,

I'm just a bit puzzled because all the "support required" values of the INF/ENG units are red. That made me think that there is not enough support given by HQs in that hex.

bye, Gecko