Type 3 IJN mine

[s2tanker]

Has anyone been able to deploy these? I've only seen surface ships laying the Type 4 and Type 93. I don't see upgrades with that mine type as well.

[rustysi]

That's an airborne mine. Deployed IIRC only by capable JNB (two engine types). Can only be deployed at enemy bases by using the mine option of the city attack, and a message displays that they were dropped to everyone. Don't ask me why.

[s2tanker]

Thanks. Interesting. I was unaware that Japan had that capability - at least widespread.

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: s2tanker

Thanks. Interesting. I was unaware that Japan had that capability - at least widespread.

News to me, too, and I cannot remember to have seen about that in the manual. Is this function available from the start of the war?

Fred

[RangerJoe]

Two threads about the same mine, here and

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... e=1�

[rustysi]

Is this function available from the start of the war?

Negative, the mine starts production 12/42.

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Is this function available from the start of the war?

Negative, the mine starts production 12/42.

OK, thank you. What about the allied side?

Fred

[rustysi]

What about the allied side?

Don't know, haven't played the Allies as yet.

[rustysi]

For the Allied side go into your Intelligence screen and press button on the bottom right. It'll list all your devices and you have to search for mines and know which are airborne.

How I did it for Japan.

[tolsdorff]

ORIGINAL: Leandros


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OK, thank you. What about the allied side?

Fred

from a combat report :

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-29-25 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 8000 feet *
23 x B-29-25 Superfort laying Mk 13 Mine from 6000 feet *

CAP engaged:

Mk 13 mine , 115 build rate starting from 12/42.
If it is the only airdrop-capable mine, I do not know, but the british Liberator II's use it as well.

Once read that air mining operations can only be done starting from 12/42. My current PBEM hasn't reached that far yet, no way to check.

Edit:

Additionally: The Mark 25 and Mark 26 air dropped mines were deployed in large numbers by the allies as well, but they are somehow missing from the game. Over half the mines used in operation Starvation were Mark 25's, a significant portion of the others were Mark 26's.
a site about different U.S. mines

[Leandros]

Thank you!

Fred
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[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

Once read that air mining operations can only be done starting from 12/42. My current PBEM hasn't reached that far yet, no way to check.

Have checked around a little but cannot find any info on how many mines the various a/c types carry. Any idea on that?

Fred
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[tolsdorff]

ORIGINAL: Leandros

Have checked around a little but cannot find any info on how many mines the various a/c types carry. Any idea on that?

Fred
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IRL :

....Avenger and Ventura aircraft could carry a single mine and in 1944 Avengers closed Palau harbor by mining the entrances. They then sank all 32 ships in the harbor with conventional bombs and torpedoes. A total of approximately 100 ships were sunk or badly damaged in the Pacific during the war by mines laid by Navy aircraft.

By 1945, the Army Air Force was devoting considerable resources to the mining role, with 80 to 100 B-29s based at Tinian being used to mine the home waters around Japan. These B-29s could carry seven 2,000 lbs. (907 kg). or twelve 1,000 lbs. (454 kg) mines. "Operation Starvation" started in March 1945 and continued until early August with 4,900 magnetic, 3,500 acoustic, 2,900 pressure and 700 low-frequency mines being laid. These mines sank 294 ships outright, damaged another 137 beyond repair and damaged a further 239 that could be repaired. In cargo tonnage, the total was 1.4 million tons lost or damaged which was about 75% of the shipping available in March 1945....

In game, i have almost 0 knowledge.

I did do 1 experiment:

I had 22 liberator II's laying mines at a port, of which 1 turn later, there were 21 mines left.

So I wildly guess, not taking any other factors into consideration, 1 mine per airplane for that plane type. Perhaps Alfred knows more.

[Alfred]

Size of airfield and range to target are factors which modify the main attribute. Aircraft load capacity and mine load cost are the core attributes.

Alfred

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Size of airfield and range to target are factors which modify the main attribute. Aircraft load capacity and mine load cost are the core attributes.

Alfred

Ok, but how do aerial mines compare to bomb loads, are they somewhat similar?

Fred

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Leandros

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Size of airfield and range to target are factors which modify the main attribute. Aircraft load capacity and mine load cost are the core attributes.

Alfred

Ok, but how do aerial mines compare to bomb loads, are they somewhat similar?

Fred

Maybe use the "cargo load" capability of the aircraft.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Leandros

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Size of airfield and range to target are factors which modify the main attribute. Aircraft load capacity and mine load cost are the core attributes.

Alfred

Ok, but how do aerial mines compare to bomb loads, are they somewhat similar?

Fred

Maybe use the "cargo load" capability of the aircraft.

Why would they NOT be the exactly the same as the bomb load capacity? AFAIK the game does not make any abstractions for bomb bay size.

[Leandros]

Removed

[Leandros]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Why would they NOT be the exactly the same as the bomb load capacity? AFAIK the game does not make any abstractions for bomb bay size.

That is not unreasonable (except maybe for size), but what I am after is to know the number of mines dropped whether with full or reduced load, simply to keep track on what is in stock or not.

Also the size of the airfield needed. I have found that size 7 is OK, but 5 is not. I haven't been able to "check 6".

What about dropping altitude and pilot proficiency - does it influence on accuracy? Night-drops? Mark 13 is a free-fall mine.

What about own ships and these mines?

I cannot remember to have seen any of these questions mentioned in the manual. Correct me if I am wrong.

Fred
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[John 3rd]

Been playing this damned game came out and never, EVER knew the Japanese could drop mines! Learn something every day...