Air Combat test scanrio 14 Allied

[mogami]

Hi, Can we get 10 or more players to volunteer to play a scenario 14 historic settings and keep track of the air to air combat (The actual results not combat text report)
For test you can use Japanese AI. Play 5-10 turns per day, complile air to air and update the running totals.


(I suppose I should be more carefull in my spelling for thread title since you can't edit it)

[mogami]

Hi, First Air combat in my scenario 14 test

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/06/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
A6M3 Zero x 2
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40E Kittyhawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 3 damaged

Actual results
no allied AC 1 F4F lost ops (CAP in Solomons)
1Betty shot down 2xA6M2 lost ops.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/07/42

Weather: Partly Cloudy

Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 10,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
A6M3 Zero x 18
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 23
P-40E Kittyhawk x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 3 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 7 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 3 damaged

Actual
2xA6M2 shot down
2xA6M3 shot down
3xP-39D shot down
7xP-40E shot down

(TF's are unloading at PM so fighter groups are flying CAP, they would not otherwise be up yet. In the attacks of the last 2 turns 1 PG and 1 AK have been hit with 1 torpedo each)

End of 8-8-42 totals (fighters only)(air to air 15-6 but 1 is bomber)
3xA6M2
2xA6M3
6xP-39D
9xP-40E

8-15-42 totals
Air to Air 18-10
DOG 7-6
AA 0-38
Ops 7-21
Total 32-75
Allied Fighter Groups Stats
75th Sqdn RAAF (P-40E) Port Moresby 3 kills morale 77
76th Sqdn RAAF (P-40E) Port Moresby 3 kills Morale 99
VMF-223 (F4F-4) Lunga 1 kill Morale 78
VMF-212 (F4F-3) Lunga 3 kills Morale 84

Last combat over Lunga 4xA6M2 shot down
1xF4F-3 and 2xF4F-4 shot down.

Morale of 3 CV fighter groups 99,84,77

[RevRick]

That is usually the one I play the most, and I have several games saved in various stages of progress. Usually get about two-four turns a day or so, some more now because playing distracts me from my back pain for a while and I don't have to fry my brain on a new setup.

[mogami]

Hi, I have your buddy Meathead. 56 leader 56 Insp he is sitting at Townsville.



I've now had 5 night surface actions. 1 at Tulagi and 4 at Lunga. No bombardment yet. But I'm running out of surface ships. First bombers (SBD) arrived Lunga last turn. Airfield can hold 150 ac and support 120. More support on the way. Enemy CV last seen at Shortlands mine are near Irau.




one air to air combat over Lunga on 8-16-42
1xA6M2 shot down by P-400
2xF4F-4 shot down (1 by G3M)
1 GM3 damaged crashed on way home (op)



IJN CV 5 hexes from Lunga up slot. My CV moving to engage next turn. All CV groups 99 Morale 0 Fat except 2 Fighter groups 85,78 morale 0 fat

Weather socked in IJN CV so no battle. In air to air over Lunga only the 67th FS
was airborne (The 2 F4F groups were set to escort the SBD)
2xP-400 shot down
3xA6M2 shot down
2xG3M shot down


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
P-400 Airacobra x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-400 Airacobra x 2 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 1 damaged

67th FS now has 5 kills making it the leading Allied Fighter Sqdn

(Using pilots to assign kills by aircraft type)
6xP-40E
5xP400
3xF4F-3
2xF4F-4
current total 22 Allied 16 Japanese AC shot down in Air to Air


8-18-42

Had the CV battle.
CLAA Atlanta torpedoed by I-27 after battle (I-27 sunk by escorts)
CV Saratoga damage SYS 20 Flt 0 Fire 6
CA Minneapolis Sank

Results for turn
Air to Air 37-38
DOG 4-0 (float planes)
AA 38-35
Op 3-2

Totals for game
A2A 59-54
Dog 11-6
AA 38-76
Ops 10-28
Total AC lost 118-164

Fighter group Status
75 and 76 RAAF Sqdn 3 kills each
67th FS 5 kills
VMF-223 2 kills
VMF-212 6 kills
VF-2 11 kills
VF-6 11 kills
VF-71 13 kills

Fighters lost to Date by type
A5M4x10
A6M2x30
A6M3x3
Total Japanese fighters lost 43
F4F-3x3
F4F-4x23
P-400x2
P-39Dx9
P-40Ex10
Total Allied fighters lost 47

(USN clobbered 2 IJN CV 1 IJN CVL)

I think I've weathered the storm. Have to see how many surface ships the IJN has left. All my B-17's are at Townsville waiting for support and supply to arrive at Port Moresby. Medium groups are collecting at Luganville for Lunga once supply and airfield ready for them. I'll send Saras Airwing to Lunga. I'll have Enterprise and Wasp stay in reserve to react to any developments.

8-19-42
Japanese status
Sunk 1 CV 1 CVL 4 DD 1 SS
Damaged 7 CA, 11 DD, 1 CV
Healthy 2 BB, 7 CA, 4 CL, 17 DD

Fighter Groups
F1/Tainan Daitai (A6M2) 24 ready 2 dam Exp 68 Mor 40 18 kills (groups begins scenario with 84 exp)
F2/2nd Daitai (A6M3) 27 ready Exp 62 Mor 87 5 kills
F1/6th Daitai (A6M3) 26 ready Exp 80 Mor 99 0 kills
1/EI-1 Daitai (A6M2) 22 ready Exp 85 Mor 99 2 kills
3/EII-1 Daitai (A6M2) 22 ready Exp 82 Mor 99 0 kills
2/DI-1 Daitai (A5M4) 4 ready Exp 74 Mor 61 0 kills

The Kills don't add up. (only 25) AI must have disbanded/Withdrew a few groups
(I forgot to check that last CV but it only fought 1 battle)
(Oh I bet the 3 CV groups listed don't show kills because they are partial airgroups and in that status they have not scored any kills the parent groups have been destroyed for 2 of them and I didn't look at the 3rd but most of the 37 from yesterday belong to them and that would be close to the 59 total)


Pretty Quiet till the 24th Zuikaku sank during the night of the 20th

8-24-42 Air attacks on both PM and Lunga (large numbers of Zeros)

Air to Air 12-9
Dog 1-0
AA 0-2
Ops 0-10

loss for turn
10xA6M2
1xA6M3
6xG4M1

4xF4F-4
1xP-400
5xP-39D
3xP-40E

Total for scenario
Air to Air 73-63
DOG 14-43
AA 38-81
Ops 16-42
Total 141-229

Allies have 2 pilots with 4 kills both in VF-2 F4F-4 2 pilots with 3 kills F4F-4

I have enough front line units now so P-39D/400 are to be withdrawn from combat.

8-26-42 150 Fighters at Lunga now. Need a few days rest from transfer.

8-27-42 last B-17 group moved to PM

Air combat over Lunga 50xA6M2 escorting 4 Betty intercepted by 46 F4F-4
5xA6M2 1xBetty shot down
9xF4F-4 shot down.

8-28-42 73xA6M2 6xG4M1 Attack lunga 14xF4F-3 34xF4F-4 intercept
12xA6M2
4xG4M1
5xF4F-3
12xF4F-4

8-29-42 Air loss over Lunga
15xA6M2
6xG4m1
12xF4F-4

first B-24 group arrives Brisbane. First 2 groups medium bombers transfer to Lunga.

8-30-42 air loss over Lunga
12xA6M2
6xG4M1
9xF4F-4

8-31-42
2xA6m2
2xG4M1
3xF4F-4

CV Hornet arrives.

End of Month Report
Air to Air 123-97
DOG 14-43
AA 40-98
Ops 18-63
Total 195-301

A6M2x95
A6M3x5
A5M4x10
Nellx17
Bettyx62

F4F-3x11
F4F-4x74
P-400x3
P-39Dx16
P-40Ex13

[USSMaine]

Quick summary of test game I am running

At end of 9 August 1942:

Losses:
air-to-air - today: 15-10 camp: 17-17;
flak - today: 0-2 camp: 0-4
ops: today: 1-2 camp: 4-4

11xP39
9xNell
7xBetty
6xP40
5xA6M2
2xC47
1xP39(aus)
1xA6M3
1xHudson
1xJake
1xMavis
1xRufe

sorties: today: 424 -221 camp: 2408 - 1395
losses: today: 16-14 camp: 21-25

Lunga has fallen with no opposition so far
All of the air combat has been at PM - I sent 2 convoys of troops and supplies to Port Moresby - so far no hits and some are already heading for home.

My carriers are east-south east of Guadalcanal covering the invasion force at Lunga. F4Fs on CAP and LRCAP have apparently shot down a Mavis and Jake.

I hope to do up a better breakdown later today after I play some more. Combat reports available upon request

[mogami]

Hi, The month of Sept 42 has been pretty quiet. Last two days have seen air combat. The Allies have spent the month trying to capture Buna and Doladura.
They have Doladura but the 3rd Aus Div is stalled against the 12k Japanese at Buna. I'm FT in reinforcements.

The first daylight raid with Heavy Bombers on Rabaul occured yesterday.

SOPAC has begun reducing Shortlands. Bombardment TF's covered by 3 CV have been hitting there the last 3 nights. The CV surprised a 2 BB IJN TF heading for Lunga 60 miles SE of Shortlands and inflicted heavy damage.

Current Air totals as of 9-24-42

Air to Air 152-127
DOG 14-55
AA 59-104
Ops 29-93
Total 254-379

A6M2x129
A6M3x19
A5M4x11

F4F-3x11
F4F-4x90
P-400x3
P-39Dx16
P-40Ex28

Total Allied fighters lost 148
Total Japanese Fighters lost 159



Fighter Groups 9-25-42
F1/Tainan Daitai (A6M2) 22 ready 2 dam Exp 64 Mor 79 40 kills
F2/Tainan Daitai (A6M2) 17 ready 1 damaged Exp 71 Mor 75 19 kills
F2/2nd Daitai (A6M3) 21 ready1 Damage Exp 64 Mor 77 10 kills
F1/6th Daitai (A6M3) 15 ready 5 damaged Exp 78 Mor 65 9 kills
F2/6th Daitai (A6M3) 16 ready 7 damaged Exp 76 Mor 81 2 kills
F2/1st Daitai (A6M2) 19 ready Exp 62 Mor 72 14 kills
F1/253 Daitai (A6M2) 24 ready 1 damaged Exp 76 Mor 83 7 Kill
2/DI-1 Daitai (A5M4) 4 ready Exp 74 Mor 96 0 kills
F2/3rd Daitai (A6M2) 26 ready Exp 70 Mor 75 4 kills

26 Japanese pilots with ratings over 90 have kills. 13 of these pilots are now MIA/KIA

Last turn 9-25-42 the 76th RAAF Sqdn and 8th US Sqdn were destroyed by massive strike at Port Moresby

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 115
G4M1 Betty x 4

Allied aircraft
P-40E Kittyhawk x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 10 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Kittyhawk x 12 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk x 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk x 6 damaged

Actual loss
22xA6M2
4xA6M3
4xG4M1

22xP-40E (11each Warhawk/Kittyhawk)

76th RAAF Sqdn status 1 ready 1 damaged 4 pilots
8th FS 6 ready 3 damaged 20 pilots

End of month report
10-1-42
Air to Air 179-141 (56-44 for month of Sept 42)
DOG 20-59
AA 59-123
Ops 40-134
Total 298-457

A6M2x165
A6M3x34
A5M4x11

F4F-3x11
F4F-4x96
P-400x3
P-39Dx16
P-40Ex54

Total Japanese Fighters 210
Total Allied Fighters 180


Air combat Lunga 10-1-42 For the first time F4F-4's outnumber Zeros.
A6M2x14
F4F-4x6

PM air combat
1xA6M2
1xP-40E


Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 65

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 11 destroyed
G3M Nell x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged

IJN CV attack Gili Gili, USN CV put to sea to engage.

The Japanese seem to have caught their second wind. Large scale air battles as Japanese bomb Lunga Airfield, attack USN TF's supporting Buna Operation, Attack USN CV out hunting IJN CV.

10-5-42
Air to Air 16-36 (one of the best single days of A2A for Allies. 25xA6M2 shot down 16xF4F-4 shot down.

Totals for scenario
Air to Air 228-210 (Last 5 Days 49-69)
DOG 25-59
AA 59-148
Ops 43-163
Total 355-580

[RevRick]

and see is Waldron is rated 0 Leadership 0 Inspiration. I have him rated that in last three run throughs.

Your losses seem light on the IJN side to my experience with this scenario. I usually have to struggle to keep things flying in PM and Lunga at all - and get clobbered by small Betty and Nell raids escorted by up to 130 fighters. In the first month of the last game I had seven AP/AK sent back to Pearl and three more sunk in these types of raids at PM and Lunga - not to mention six DD's sunk, and five more which managed to make it back to Pearl. I could't have one to one loss rations until November.

[mogami]

Hi, Yeah I got him. He is 0 0 (He is supposed to be dead)
I've been hit with at least half a dozen of those 100 Zero strikes.

[USSMaine]

Through 16 August 1942

Plane Type Number Lost
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Allied Dive Bomber 1 ( an A24)
Japanese Dive Bomber 1

Allied Fighter 11 (4 of these on the ground)
Allied Fighter Bomber 19 (3 of these on the ground and 1 to ops)
Japanese Fighter 9

Allied Float Plane 1
Japanese Float Plane 15
Allied Medium Bomber 1
Japanese Medium Bomber 37
Japanese Torpedo Bomber 1
Allied Transport 3

sorties: 5142-3189
total plane losses: 36-63
dog: 21-31
ground: 7-4 (allied ground losses of 3xP400 and 4xP40)
flak: 1-20
ops: 7-8

Primary air actions consisted of Japanese air attacks on TFs at Lunga and Tulagi although an unescorted raid by 3xBetty and 3xNell on a TF at Cairns ran into some P39s with the P39s shooting one of each down and chasing off the others. My F4Fs have only been involved in a few dogfights over Lunga thus far.

more details available on request

[USSMaine]

Through 31 August 1942
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Allied Dive Bomber 1
Japanese Dive Bomber 1
Allied Fighter 28
Japanese Fighter 37
Allied Fighter Bomber 50
Allied Float Plane 2
Japanese Float Plane 30
Allied Medium Bomber 2
Japanese Medium Bomber 60
Japanese Torpedo Bomber 1
Allied Transport 4

[mogami]

10-10-42 Allies capture Buna
Air to Air 253-230
DOG 27-93
AA 59-158
Ops 47-201
Total 386-682

A6M2x259
A6M3x54
A5M4x11
Ki-43-Ibx39 (Daitai destroyed)


F4F-3x11
F4F-4x162
P-400x3
P-39Dx17
P-40Ex64

Total Japanese Fighters Lost 363
Total Allied Fighters Lost 257

117xBetty lost (4.33 complete Daitai worth)

[mdiehl]

Of course, looking at these numbers it's hard to see what trisjohn's complaining about. The only really wiggy results seem to occur when a whole shebang of a/c are together in one stirke. Probably the problem lies somewhere in the assumption that large numbers of a/c could easily be coordinated.

Anyone think a range penalty for large formations containing single engined aircraft seem appropriate?

[USSMaine]

9/1/42
air: 13-12 flak: 0-1 ops: 0-3
11xa6m2 7xp40 6xp39 3xa6m3 1xbetty 1xemily air raid on resupply tf at pm

9/2/42
air: 5-3 flak: 0-0 ops: 1-3
4xf4f 4xa6m2 1xpby 1xf4f-3 1xemily 1xbetty air raid on lunga

9/3/42
air: 11-16 flak: 0-1 ops: 0-1
13xa6m2 9xf4f 4xbetty 2xf4f-3 1xpete air raid on resupply tf at lunga

9/4/42
air: 0-2 ops: 6-2
3xsbd 2xjake 1xb25d(training) 1xp400 1xf4f 1xa6m2 1xnell attack on small japanese convoy n-nw of lunga

9/5/42
air: 11-10 flak: 0-3 ops: 0-3
10xf4f 8xa6m2 6xbetty 2xf4f-3 1xp400

f/fb totals for this 5 day period:
36xA6M2 3xA6M3
7xP40 6xP39 vs 29xF4F 1xP400
air-air: 40-43

this is ugly but ran out of time.......

[mogami]

10-15-42 Japanese are able to make large strikes against PM and Lunga. Large in fighter escort, small in bomber numbers.

Air to Air 271-252 (last 5 days 18-22)
DOG 30-93
AA 59-169
Ops 50-223
Total 410-737 (last 5 days 24-55)

I allowed the P-39D to engage in air to air to test the effects of the battle on the Japanese. ......perhaps too soon. But the P-39D's did score a few kills

[Daniel Oskar]

Let me preface this by saying unless it is an emergency I will not fly low morale or high fatigue fighter groups. On CAP I generally set my aircraft (even P-39) to 12000' as the Japanese generally come in at 10000'. The results are as of 08/14/1942, only air to air included.

08/08/1942 Gili Gili:

27 A6M2 24 P-40E
20 A6M3
29 G4M1

Losses 1 A6M2, 2 A6M3, 4 P-40E

08/09/1942 Gili Gili:

24 A6M2 22 P-40E
18 A6M3
7 G4M1

Losses 1 A6M3, 2 P-40E

Tulagi:

23 A6M2 30 F4F-4
10 G4M1

Losses 3 A6M2, 1 G4M1, 1 F4F-4

08/10/1942Tulagi:

7 A6M2 29 F4F-4
10 G4M1

Losses 1 G4M1

08/11/1942 Tulagi:

14 A6M2 27 F4F-4
13 G4M1

Losses 1 A6M2, 1 F4F-4


Total Losses: 8 US, 10 Japan

[mogami]

Hi, Large Japanese airstrikes directed at USN TF's unloading at Russell Island and covered by fighters from Lunga

12xA6m2
8xA6m3
5xVal
4xBetty

14xF4F-4

(Thats 20 IJN fighters and 9 Bombers shotdown in exchange for 14 USN fighters)


10-19-42
Daily air loss
4-51 (air to air 4-13)

[USSMaine]

Through 30 September 1942

losses: 401-372

air-air: 309-188
ground: 10-11
flak: 29-58
ops: 53-115

Allied Dive Bomber 42
Allied Fighter 132
Allied Fighter Bomber 173
Allied Float Plane 12
Allied Heavy Bomber 5
Allied Medium Bomber 18
Allied Recon 1
Allied Torpedo Bomber 5
Allied Transport 13

Japanese Dive Bomber 32
Japanese Fighter 188
Japanese Float Plane 53
Japanese Medium Bomber 89
Japanese Torpedo Bomber 10

I've been getting beat up at both Lunga and PM by raids with lots of escorts. Got caught with my pants down a couple of times.

Highest losses are:
a6m2,156
f4f,117
p39,84
betty,72
p40e kittyhawk,53

My Wildcats took a beating when my cv's raided shortland, but they gave as good as they got !

[USSMaine]

End of October 42

Plane Type Number Lost
=====================
Allied Dive Bomber 52
Allied Fighter 200
Allied Fighter Bomber 308
Allied Float Plane 21
Allied Heavy Bomber 15
Allied Medium Bomber 31
Allied Recon 4
Allied Torpedo Bomber 8
Allied Transport 18
Japanese Dive Bomber 61
Japanese Fighter 371
Japanese Float Plane 74
Japanese Medium Bomber 162
Japanese Recon 7
Japanese Torpedo Bomber 25
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One squadron of P38s at Lunga (35th FS)
Junyo hit 3 mines and then was torpedoed twice and went straight to the locker with all planes (accounting for 19xa6m2 19xval 12xkate I believe)
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Summary:
air-air: 489-314
ground: 25-64 (50 of these from Junyo)
flak: 45-86
ops: 104-237

total losses: 663-701

[HMSWarspite]

End of October 42
[snip]
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One squadron of P38s at Lunga (35th FS)
Junyo hit 3 mines and then was torpedoed twice and went straight to the locker with all planes (accounting for 19xa6m2 19xval 12xkate I believe)
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Yep, there's the pro-japanese bias again - if that had happened to a US carrier, that would have lost 70 or more planes!

[USSMaine]

Yep, there's the pro-japanese bias again - if that had happened to a US carrier, that would have lost 70 or more planes!

hehehehe :p