The Screams of the deceased Soldiers, HLYA(G) vs Gunnulf(S)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

All are welcome to read, "The Screams of the deceased Soldiers", including Gunnulf, at any time. Certain turns I will have a delay on information. Other turns I may not.


Here are the settings for the game;

FOG of War: On
Movement FOW: On
Automate AI air assist: Off, you are free to use it during your turn if you like
Enhanced Player TB control: On

[HardLuckYetAgain]

This game will be a bit different then my game with 821Bobo. In this game I "will not" be bombing turn 1 with the German Airforce. Yes, you heard me correctly, "No German bombing of airfields turn 1". I will however be bombing with the Rumanians and Hungarians. I plan on trying the flip side of the coin of going after pilot kills instead of aircraft this time. I played with this idea two years ago in BETA and bringing to the forefront in this game. My tests lately in my practice games have been very promising and if I can get what I have been getting in those games I will be happy.

Stay tuned

[Beethoven1]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This game will be a bit different then my game with 821Bobo. In this game I "will not" be bombing turn 1 with the German Airforce. Yes, you heard me correctly, "No German bombing of airfields turn 1". I will however be bombing with the Rumanians and Hungarians. I plan on trying the flip side of the coin of going after pilot kills instead of aircraft this time. I played with this idea two years ago in BETA and bringing to the forefront in this game. My tests lately in my practice games have been very promising and if I can get what I have been getting in those games I will be happy.

Stay tuned

Interesting, but it seems gamey/unrealistic. If it is better than bombing, hopefully a patch will change that in the future.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Beethoven1

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This game will be a bit different then my game with 821Bobo. In this game I "will not" be bombing turn 1 with the German Airforce. Yes, you heard me correctly, "No German bombing of airfields turn 1". I will however be bombing with the Rumanians and Hungarians. I plan on trying the flip side of the coin of going after pilot kills instead of aircraft this time. I played with this idea two years ago in BETA and bringing to the forefront in this game. My tests lately in my practice games have been very promising and if I can get what I have been getting in those games I will be happy.

Stay tuned

Interesting, but it seems gamey/unrealistic. If it is better than bombing, hopefully a patch will change that in the future.

Bombing = destroy aircraft
Air Interception = Kill aircraft and Pilots (hopefully kill pilots at the same time)

It is a choice to do or not do something. I am choosing to target pilots this time with A2A instead of "bombing for airframes". Soviets have an endless supply of airframes but are delimited by how many trained pilots per turn.

[carlkay58]

I would not classify HYLA's strategy as 'gamey'. It is a player's choice as what strategy to use. I would think that this tactic will result in more wear and tear on the Axis fighters than the more traditional method but it is a valid strategy.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Please note that this picture below is "not" from this game. This is one of my test results which show just using A2A interception vs the Soviets. This doesn't include the Hungarians or Rumanians bombing or A2A yet.

The kills are usually +/- 150ish for the Soviets and +/- 10ish for Germans in multiple runs.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This game will be a bit different then my game with 821Bobo. In this game I "will not" be bombing turn 1 with the German Airforce. Yes, you heard me correctly, "No German bombing of airfields turn 1". I will however be bombing with the Rumanians and Hungarians. I plan on trying the flip side of the coin of going after pilot kills instead of aircraft this time. I played with this idea two years ago in BETA and bringing to the forefront in this game. My tests lately in my practice games have been very promising and if I can get what I have been getting in those games I will be happy.

Stay tuned

I think this is the way to go, at the moment. You may destroy less planes (remains to be seen) but you can knock out all the decent pilots the Soviets start with thus making them reliant on their trained pool (or train in the reserve)?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

This game will be a bit different then my game with 821Bobo. In this game I "will not" be bombing turn 1 with the German Airforce. Yes, you heard me correctly, "No German bombing of airfields turn 1". I will however be bombing with the Rumanians and Hungarians. I plan on trying the flip side of the coin of going after pilot kills instead of aircraft this time. I played with this idea two years ago in BETA and bringing to the forefront in this game. My tests lately in my practice games have been very promising and if I can get what I have been getting in those games I will be happy.

Stay tuned

I think this is the way to go, at the moment. You may destroy less planes (remains to be seen) but you can knock out all the decent pilots the Soviets start with thus making them reliant on their trained pool (or train in the reserve)?

Yes, you do destroy about ~700 - ~1,100 less planes. But Soviet pilot kills are over double from Turn 1 Bombing airfields.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 1

Air Execution results


Again, I am only bombing airfields with Hungarians and Rumanians (including the German KG-27 in Rumania). All other German bombers/tac bombers will take the week off.

One Hungarian bombing run decided it did not want to bomb. Thus that bomb run did not happen. Otherwise that would have been about 40 more planes

So I lost 16 pilots & planes

Soviets lost

113 Pilots
587 Planes

Will have final results when I finish ground moves.

[joelmar]

wow, I never really relied much on the hungarians and rumanians for turn 1 bombing mainly because I don't trust them much... so this is a surprising and very interesting result!

For the focus on pilot instead of aircrafts, it's very out of the box thinking, but I see the logic. Looking forward to see the final numbers at the end of the turn.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 1

NOT FINAL Air Results but getting close. I figure about another 50-100 estimated to get. Just wanted to get this out here tonight before going to bed.

I actually like these results better than the Airfield bombing. And these are not the final results yet. But close.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 1

"INTRUSION" into the South (I am not saying anything other than that ;-P )

Not final South since I have to do housekeeping but can see I changed up my normal opening of capturing a large number of Soviets down here as I did in my game against 821Bobo. But I have a very "deep" penetration going on.

KeKeKeK

Sorry couldn't help myself

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: joelmar

wow, I never really relied much on the hungarians and rumanians for turn 1 bombing mainly because I don't trust them much... so this is a surprising and very interesting result!

For the focus on pilot instead of aircrafts, it's very out of the box thinking, but I see the logic. Looking forward to see the final numbers at the end of the turn.

Ya, The Hungarians aren't bad and neither were the Rumanians.

[M60A3TTS]

Are the final air numbers in yet?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Are the final air numbers in yet?

Sorry not yet. Been looking at the other game at the moment. Should have them later this afternoon.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

The game has been updated to patch v1.00.05 this date for this AAR

[Repsol]

1. The russian operational losses seems way to low given their overcrowded airbases and poor support.

2. Would including bombing of the russian airbases with the best fighters (Migs, Yaks) to get them out of the sky in the ground phase make any significant different in your A2A losses you think ?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Repsol

1. The russian operational losses seems way to low given their overcrowded airbases and poor support.

2. Would including bombing of the russian airbases with the best fighters (Migs, Yaks) to get them out of the sky in the ground phase make any significant different in your A2A losses you think ?

For #1 I would think so but I defer to our Soviet Experts on the Soviet Airforce.

For #2 I want them in the air to get a pilot kill. A better chance of that happening there instead of on the ground.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Are the final air numbers in yet?

This should be the final total. All major moves and attacks have been completed. I can say that this can be optimized for more kills. I am trying many different things in this game to see how it will go. You will see the ground pictures here in a few and can tell me if it is different from what I normally do But yeah this should be the final number for this games turn 1 on Air-2-Air Pilot kills.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 1

The "RUSH" is on for you know what. This sticks out more than the southern front penetration of what is happening. Even Helen Keller can see this a mile away ;-P

I know, I know, I know what I said about Leningrad! Go ahead and rub it in.

****just a note I still have a lot of administrative movement of infantry to position. But tanks and Moto are in final location but not all HQ's *****