Rising Sun, Falling Skies: BTSL Bigred vs John 3rd

[bigred]

This is a comparison of the old akagi against then newer Amechi.

[bigred]

This wonder about this CVL. Looks like it has the armor of the old Akagi.

[bigred]

The deck armor on the Flecher in increased +1 in sen55. speed is reduced from 38 to 36. I wonder if the speed reduction makes it easier to dive bomb the fletcher. Hmmm.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: bigred

The deck armor on the Flecher in increased +1 in sen55. speed is reduced from 38 to 36. As AFB, I will give up the +1 deck armor and keep the speed.

[John 3rd]

Unless it is a new class, I don't mess with Allied ships. That might be a DaBabes change.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Unless it is a new class, I don't mess with Allied ships. That might be a DaBabes change.

the belt armor got reduced from 18 to 13.

[bigred]

Does anyone know the DaBabes discussion thread concerning the change to 36 spend and 13 belt armor for the fletcher's?

[John 3rd]

All the work done on these Mods is based off of the DaBabes work from years ago. We used it as our template from RA to Treaty to BTS.

[John 3rd]

In all the discussion, I forgot to show the other CV that got hit that night. This bad boy was fully intact with no damage prior to 2 500lb bombs hitting her.

[el cid again]

The assignment of 13 mm deck armor on Fletcher Class destroyers is not justified.


As it happens, I served on a follow on to the Fletcher Class. It evolved trough the Forest Sherman class to become the Charles F. Adams class of destroyers. The latter was 18 feet longer, but otherwise had the same hull and deck structure. [It also had an aluminum superstructure - a mistake as it turns out - providing less splinter protection. Ultimately the ship got kevlar armor to help - more than a decade after I recommended it.]

The use of HY-80 steel might justify classification as armor, but (a) only if ALL steel ships got their steel decks and hulls classified as armor. I did that for subs - pressure hull thickness is called "armor" in RHS - intended to be relative to armor penetration of ASW weapons - which is actual - so a better protected sub does better than a less protected one does.

Anyway, the hull thickness of a Fletcher is 28 mm. The deck of all these classes is indeed 13 mm - but again only in a mod where EVERY steel ship gets deck thickness = armor. Worse, structural steel is NOT the same as armor steel. And protection is complicated - if one deck counts - why not the others? We usually add up armor for battleships with multiple decks
with armor. Equating regular steel with armor is a data entry nightmare - a practical impossibility. We don't know the number of decks, never mind their thickness on all classes. Worse - it is a lie. Armor steel is NOT the same as structural steel - although HY-80 is closer than earlier alloys were.

Sid

[bigred]

In a private messge from Sid he stated the sea trials probably hit a 38 but the average speed in the fleet was about 36.5 if you had a new engine.

[John 3rd]

September 29, 1942
Lang Son, Indochina

Scratch this enemy base. Japanese Deliberate Attack: 5-1 Japan 168 Cas and China 4,021 (220 Squads), 7 Guns, and 1 Vehicle.

[bigred]

Grinding away at the Japs.
9/30

[John 3rd]

October 2, 1942

The IJN CVs have been tied to one location for too long. Time to stretch our wings a little bit!

[bigred]

10/2:

[bigred]

10/3: Japs press onto Samoa.

[bigred]

10/3b: notice the 33rd IJA div has reinforced this position.

[bigred]

10/4:
IJN CV TF movements

[bigred]

10/6:

[RedTeamFred]

Greetings John III,

After lurking in the forums for years, I just want to thank you for the many hours of pleasure your gung-ho attitude of "never say die" has brought me. I honestly don't think anyone enjoys this game as much as you do!

Fred
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