Trucks...

[Jeff_Ahl]

Got a good grip on the game, but one thing that should be easy is an annoying problem for me. I can not find the truck pool where I can see how many trucks I have in the "main" pool.

[carlkay58]

Check the Production screen - right hand side towards the bottom:

[Jeff_Ahl]

Thanks!

[loki100]

also comes up on the turn summary tables:

[Jeff_Ahl]

Ah, there as well.

Thanks.

[Medicusa]

But this doesnt work. If you want to know how many trucks you have then this number only shows trucks in pool that are ready but not available as one said in the forum. I constantly have trucks in the pool and still miss these thousands of pool trucks in my depots where they use unit trucks instead. We really need an overview of trucks ready AND available. It is frustrating to see each turn you have trucks in the pool but they are not used.

[loki100]

as before, there is a huge amount influencing what is shown in the pool in any one turn and the system looks to keep some reserve simply to make it work. The tables below all key off the active truck numbers.

As you can see its all over the place as I advance, create new depots, alter my depot system and also the interaction between truck losses and what I capture.

Given this is T11, I'm using 45,000 of my 323,000 unit trucks in the supply system. Not exactly a surprise given where some of my units are deployed.

[Hanny]

You cant see it because all the trucks are in the way.....Games gives all trucks 2.5 tons carry capacity, this was a mistake, not least beacause its to high a number, first because German trucks carry capacity includes the weight of the truck and load, so is a lower carry capacity than a US or Uk 1.5 Imperial ton truck that does not include the truck weight, https://www.jstor.org/stable/26004473?s ... b_contents second because its using not trucks as truck numbers, ie a M/cycle and side car or bus, or ambulance is now includded as a 2.5 ton truck equivalent, making the German Army in game the most mechansised army of the war.

Historic German truck numbers by month.
June194k
July 201k
Aug 212k
Sept 218k, 545000 tons daily lift at 2.5 t, in post 6 in game has 420k (420,000*2.5=1050000 tons daily lift.

[stryc]

Have to agree that I'm finding useful information about Trucks extremely difficult to find. The numbers never seem to line up and you have to visit various screens to be able to semi-mystically divine what's going on. (And the number format varies left and right which is infuriating, i.e., 2,134,234 here but 2134234 there.)

[Hanny]

ORIGINAL: loki100

Given this is T11, I'm using 45,000 of my 323,000 unit trucks in the supply system. Not exactly a surprise given where some of my units are deployed.

What is a surprise is that around 150 German Divisons each with 300 tons a day truck capacity ( which was the entire truck capacity of a Pzer Div being used unlike at best 2/3 of it, and Inf Divs with far less truck capacity, 180 tons a day with zero trucks lost) has turned into 150 Divisions all using 300 trucks of 2.5 tons capacity.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Hanny

first because German trucks carry capacity includes the weight of the truck and load,

No idea where you found the above gem but when reading in a language that's not the same as the supposed source, it's always a good idea to make a basic smell check or look for corroboration.

As a truck will roughly weigh what it can load, your supposed system leads to either a carry capacity of zero or capacity numbers that stand out massively with comparable models in other nations.

[dudefan]

ORIGINAL: stryc

Have to agree that I'm finding useful information about Trucks extremely difficult to find. The numbers never seem to line up and you have to visit various screens to be able to semi-mystically divine what's going on. (And the number format varies left and right which is infuriating, i.e., 2,134,234 here but 2134234 there.)

+1

Truck Feedback is in need of an overhaul!

[Hanny]

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: Hanny

first because German trucks carry capacity includes the weight of the truck and load,

No idea where you found the above gem but when reading in a language that's not the same as the supposed source, it's always a good idea to make a basic smell check or look for corroboration.

As a truck will roughly weigh what it can load, your supposed system leads to either a carry capacity of zero or capacity numbers that stand out massively with comparable models in other nations.

Try reading the link, the good Prof explains it very clearly and is not advancing a supposed system, and nor was i.

[MechFO]

ORIGINAL: Hanny

ORIGINAL: MechFO

ORIGINAL: Hanny

first because German trucks carry capacity includes the weight of the truck and load,

No idea where you found the above gem but when reading in a language that's not the same as the supposed source, it's always a good idea to make a basic smell check or look for corroboration.

As a truck will roughly weigh what it can load, your supposed system leads to either a carry capacity of zero or capacity numbers that stand out massively with comparable models in other nations.

Try reading the link, the good Prof explains it very clearly and is not advancing a supposed system, and nor was i.

Unfortunately it needs a registration.

Feel free to copy paste or to show a reference to f.e. the 6.5 ton Opel Blitz. Showing how the rather classic 3 ton Opel Blitz weighed a negative 3.3 tons when empty would also work, I guess.

[Nix77]

ORIGINAL: stryc

Have to agree that I'm finding useful information about Trucks extremely difficult to find. The numbers never seem to line up and you have to visit various screens to be able to semi-mystically divine what's going on. (And the number format varies left and right which is infuriating, i.e., 2,134,234 here but 2134234 there.)

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5004225

I suggested centralized links for all production-related information, including vehicles/trucks. Logistics Report is a good try, but still the information is too scattered.

[Hanny]

ORIGINAL: MechFO


Unfortunately it needs a registration.

Feel free to copy paste or to show a reference to f.e. the 6.5 ton Opel Blitz. Showing how the rather classic 3 ton Opel Blitz weighed a negative 3.3 tons when empty would also work, I guess.

JSTOR is free to register. Feel free to pass further comment on something you clearly have not read, or understood.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Hanny

ORIGINAL: MechFO


Unfortunately it needs a registration.

Feel free to copy paste or to show a reference to f.e. the 6.5 ton Opel Blitz. Showing how the rather classic 3 ton Opel Blitz weighed a negative 3.3 tons when empty would also work, I guess.

JSTOR is free to register. Feel free to pass further comment on something you clearly have not tread, or understood.

and the usual reminder - keep it polite in the responses

[Hanny]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: Hanny

ORIGINAL: MechFO


Unfortunately it needs a registration.

Feel free to copy paste or to show a reference to f.e. the 6.5 ton Opel Blitz. Showing how the rather classic 3 ton Opel Blitz weighed a negative 3.3 tons when empty would also work, I guess.

JSTOR is free to register. Feel free to pass further comment on something you clearly have not tread, or understood.

and the usual reminder - keep it polite in the responses

And again you are not fit for purpose.

[Denniss]

German weight designation system for military trucks is the load capacity, not total weight. So a 3t truck would be able to load 3t of freight, a 1t truck just 1t of freight. This system is still in use by the Bundeswehr.

[Kokubokan]

Recommended books for understand the German logistics in Barbarossa:


Germany and the Second World War. Vol IV The Attack on the Soviet Union. Part II, Chapter VI (Rolf-Dieter Müller) The failure of the economic "Blitzkrieg Strategy".

Supplying War: Logistics from Wallenstein to Patton. Martin Van Creveld. Chapter V Russian Roulette.

Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East. David Stahel. Chapter 3 The impossible equation - the logistics and supply of Barbarossa.

Historical Division US Army Europe. Monograph of Generalmajor Alfred Toppe. T-8 Problems of Supply in Far-Reaching Operations.

Historical Division US Army Europe. Monograph of Generalleutnant Max Hermann Bork. T-7 Comments on Russian Railroads and Highways.

From Peace to War. Germany, Soviet Russia and the World, 1939-1941. Klaus Schüler. The Eastern Campaign as a Transportation and Supply Problem.

The Most Valuable Asset of the Reich: A History of the German National Railway Volume 2: 1933–1945. Alfred C. Mierzejewski. Chapter 3.B The Attack on the Soviet Union and the Winter Crisis, 1941-1942.