Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[14yellow14]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update SM-6 Blk IB (weapon_3772) as hypersonic SSM, more range. Delete MRC SPY-1D radar </summary>

<detail>

The missile should be primarily an SSM (ASuW) missile and not a SAM. It may retain SAM or ABM capabilities but it does not seem to be its primary purpose (especially for the US Army in its MRC).




The missile has been designated as hypersonic (currently in the DB it is not).



With the new booster it is likely to have much longer range as SSM although it is not known but it should be well above the range of the PrSM missile (500 km).

The SM-6 selection surprised me at first, because its reported ranges are well short of the 1,000 miles the Army wants for the Mid-Range Capability. While the real range is classified, estimates range up to 290 miles (250 nautical miles).

However, the Navy is now developing an extended-range model of the SM-6, the Block 1B. (It’ll use the rocket booster from another Standard Missile variant, the ICBM-killing SM-3, which is known to have a range greater than 1,000 miles). What’s more, while the current SM-6 maxes out at Mach 3.5, the SM-6 Block 1B will reportedly reach hypersonic speeds, i.e. above Mach 5. While the Navy plans for Block 1B to complete development only in 2024, it wouldn’t be a stretch to have a handful of missiles available early for the Army’s MRC roll-out in late 2023.

The Mid-Range Capability will slot in between the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM), a 500-plus-km (310+ mile) replacement for the aging ATACMS, and the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW), whose classified range is in the thousands of kilometers.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/arm ... -missiles/

Also new warhead

The description, however, aligns with the known elements of the SM-6 Block 1B development program. In budget documents submitted last year for fiscal 2020, the Navy described a plan to field the SM-6 Block 1B by fiscal 2024 with a wider, 21-in.-dia. booster to increase the range and speed of the standard, Mach 3.5-class missile, but the documents did not say by how much. The fiscal 2020 budget documents also mention plans to add a new thermal protection system and update the guidance, navigation and control system for the SM-6 Block 1B.

Guerts’ testimony on March 10 is not the first to link the SM-6 Block 1B to the antisurface-warfare role. A presentation by the Navy at the Surface Warfare Association’s annual conference in January 2019 listed the SM-6 Block 1B on a chart as one of several antisurface-warfare weapons. But Guerts’ testimony adds a potentially important detail. He referenced a new “warhead design” for the new hypersonic weapon, addressing a flaw of the baseline version of the SM-6 for an anti-surface application. The warhead on the baseline SM-6 weighs only 140 lb., a mass the Congressional Budget Office cited as inadequate against a modern combat ship.

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... b9f36ec298




</detail>

<evidence>

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... -6-missile
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... gher-speed
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... trike-role
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/arm ... -missiles/
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... b9f36ec298
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/10/arm ... -thurgood/

</evidence>

Thanks!

[dadizonline]

Add astra missile on indian aircrafts currently its inducted with Su-30MKI, roughly equivalent of AIM120C7 with upgraded seeker Astra-2 (with double range and dual pulse motor) astra family is quite modern with advanced seeker and smokeless motor IAF plan to integrate it on most indian fighters except rafale

Evidence:
Unfortunately I can't attach links some technicality issues but anybody in development department can Google it you can find videos, articles and everything.

[dadizonline]

Add Spice bomb in 2000, 1000lbs in Indian Air Force Mirage2000, Jaguar Darin 3, Tejas

CBU105 on Jaguar Darin 3

NSM on MH60R

Nirbhay Missile for Army, Air Force (Tomahawk type characteristics with more advanced features in terrain avoidance but 1000km range)

Agni V ICBM

M777A1 howitzer with Excalibur rounds

K9 vajra (based on K9 Thunder)

LCH helicopter with Helina ATGM (2022), Thales Rocket (Hydra type 70mm), Nester 20mm cannon, Israeli HMD, Mistral AAM

Naval Dhruv MKIII with upgraded engine and fuel consumption, EL2022V3 surface search radar, Elbit Compass EO, Software Defined Radios, 12.7mm door mount gun,new indian torpedo Sheyna light torpedo (based A244S NST58 derivative)

Frontline ships like Kolkata, Delhi, Shivalik, Kamorta with 533mm Varunastra torpedo (quite advanced, world's only torpedo with GPS aid)

UHUMS sonar on kilo class submarine (In mid life upgrade), arihant

Gun replacement on Kolkata by Oto 76mm
Brahmos-ER (induted ones with limited 290km due to MTCR which was later upgraded to 450km limited by softwares) planned upgrade with 600km ones
Barak-8 with Barak-8ER (can be accommodated in same VLS) 150km range, upgraded seekers

All details about mentioned weapons are available on open platforms I can't attach link because of technical issues in forum.

Thank you

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update DF-41 In service date to 2020 and designation is CSS-20</summary>
<detail>DF-41 Inservice date is 2020 and designation is CSS-20. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/i ... 0.2021.pdf
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add MAM-T Small Glide Bomb. Add to Turkish Akinci UCAV.Laser Guided</summary>
<detail>Rockesan introduced the MAM-T small guide bomb to Akinci.</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.savunmasanayist.com/roketsa ... -muhimmat/
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/29422 ... _Munitions
https://www.savunmasanayist.com/roketsa ... -muhimmat/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOtho3QeWlc
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Z-8C Transport Helicopter Chinese Navy 2021.</summary>
<detail>Follow on Super.Were seen fielded one new Type 075 in 2021. Likely same as #3708 in the DB with the addition of nav radar and Marine loadouts. Not sure why it isn't designated Z-18C</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/c ... on-brigade
https://china-defense.blogspot.com/2021 ... rd-at.html
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/plan ... ters.8760/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/z-8-and- ... 17/page-31
</evidence>

[DESRON420]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>
Extend RIM-174A SM-6 Block IA range to at least 230 nm. Revise SM-6 Dual I and expected SM-6 Block IB range in this light. Move SM-6 Block IB IOC to 2022 and Army MRC SM-6 Block IB to 2023. Revise list of platforms capable of firing SM-6 Block IB.
</summary>
<detail>
The Flight IIA Burke USS John Finn (DDG-113) (#2866) hit a barge target "250+ miles" away with "an SM-6" at UxS IBP 21 using CEC. This is a complex test that needs a mature system. SM-6 Block IB has not yet reached IOC so this is likely an SM-6 Block IA. That implies that SM-6 Block IA has a 230 nm+ range. That in turn implies Dual I has a similar range and that Block IB will have a much longer range.

The .mil budgeting links provide further indications that it was an SM-6 Block IA. As of FY21 the USN had not yet procured any SM-6 Block IB and Block IB spending is slated to begin in FY2022. There's interesting info on 22-26 month lead times for boosters buried in the FY21 Navy Justification Book on page 144. An expected 2022 Navy fielding date comports with Army plans for MRC in 2023.

As for the platforms, only DDG 53 John Paul Jones [Arleigh Burke Flight I] can currently fire SM-6 Block IB. No other Burkes can fire it, so the issue might be with the version of the Mk41 VLS mount on each Burke platform.

(Thanks to 14yellow14)
</detail>
<evidence>
https://news.usni.org/2021/04/26/unmann ... -with-sm-6
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... -team-test
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub ... 115519-863
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Docu ... 9_Full.pdf
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/fmc/fmb/Doc ... N_Book.pdf
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/11/arm ... -missiles/
</evidence>

[14yellow14]

ORIGINAL: DESRON420

<type>Update</type>
<summary>
Extend RIM-174A SM-6 Block IB (#3714 and #3772) anti-surface and anti-land range to at least 230 nm. Allow all appropriate Arleigh Burke types to carry SM-6 Block IB instead of only DDG 53 John Paul Jones (#3194).
</summary>
<detail>
The Flight IIA Burke USS John Finn (DDG-113) (#2866) hit a barge target "250+ miles" away with an SM-6 (probably Block IB) at UxS IBP 21. In 1147.21 DDG 53 John Paul Jones [Arleigh Burke Flight I] (#3194) is the only Burke variant that can carry SM-6 Block IB and it can only carry the #3714 version from 2017, which lacks anti-land capability. All SM-3 Block IIA-capable Burkes should be able to fire SM-6 Block IB.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://news.usni.org/2021/04/26/unmann ... -with-sm-6
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... -team-test
</evidence>

They have probably used a SM-6 Block IA missile, the Block IB variant is a hypersonic missile under development and will have longer range.

[ywturbo]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Update J-10C (#2057) PL-15 missile datalink channel from 1 to 12</summary>
<detail>Earlier variant J-10B (#4617) has 12 channels of PL-15 missile datalink while later J-10C has only 1, so it must be a typo. </detail>

[DESRON420]

ORIGINAL: 14yellow14
They have probably used a SM-6 Block IA missile, the Block IB variant is a hypersonic missile under development and will have longer range.

You're right. I took the DB values for the SM-6 Block IA seriously but they seem to be much too small.

[14yellow14]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add underwater launched AIM-9X and other payloads (decoys, UAVs) for US Navy SSGN Ohio</summary>

<detail>

This is a hypothetical capability but has been tested before. In theory it makes sense for an SSGN since if it has to operate close to shore to insert SOF equipment, it needs some self-protection against small air and surface targets. The missiles would be encapsulated in the VLS instead of some cruise missiles.

The AIM-9X is a LOAL missile so launched from a capsule it could find a target by itself or with the help of a third party asset like a UAV (Blackwing type already in service).

The US Navy also played with a similar concept that has blurred into the developmental shadows in recent years. During the late 2000s, the US Navy, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman worked to migrate the highly flexible AIM-9X short-range air-to-air missile to the undersea world under the Littoral Warfare Weapon program. The AIM-9X would be vertically launched in a canister from a submarine, then the missile would climb into the sky when the canister broke the surface, locking onto its target after launch.

Tests during the mid 2000s had the AIM-9X fired from a vertical launcher as a proof of concept demonstration. A few years later, an AIM-9X was launched from an actual submarine as part of a series of integration tests. Since then the program seems to have disappeared from public view, but it’s likely development has continued on in the classified world—especially considering that submarine-launched unmanned aircraft have been an operational reality within America’s nuclear submarine fleet for some time.

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defensedaily.com/navy-demon ... navy-usmc/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ge-missile
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ts-the-eye
https://www.flightglobal.com/exclusive- ... 49.article

</evidence>


Thanks!

[tylerblakebrandon]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Hypothetical SSGN conversion for UK Vanguard SSBN</summary>
<detail>Hypothetcial SSGN conversion for British Vanguard class SSBN's. Should include UUV/ROV hangar and docking/launch facilities, DDS for divers/SDV's, and Trident silos based on Ohio SSGN for similar Tomahawk load of other ordnance such as IR-PCS.>
<evidence>
http://www.hisutton.com/Royal-Navy-Vang ... ncept.html
</evidence>

[SRB-Z32]

For SERBIA

J-22 Orao 2.0, has inbuilt FLIR and IRST and can fire AGM-65 Maverick, R-60M air to air missiles, VRVZ-24 guided missile(40km range), VRVZ-200 Rockets and has a RADEOM-1 OECM pod

1x battery of Pantsir S1E

Serbian Modification of 2K12 KUB with thermal sight and modified launcher carrying 2x 3M9M3, 2x R60M and 1x R-73.


PASARS-16 SAM
"As of June 2020, three versions of PASARS exist:

Pasars-16 with 40mm gun and 4x 9K38 Igla
Pasars-16 with 40mm gun and 4x Mistral 3+ missile
Pasars-16 with 40mm gun and 2x RLN-IC/170 missile (RLN-IC is a modified R13M Missile with 12km range)
There has been a fourth version introduced using 2x modified Strela-10 Missiles with a booster motor attached.
All versions can communicate and obtain data from different radars including Giraffe radar."


MTU-4M SAM
Truck with 2x Strela-2M and 2x 9K38 Igla With Thermal imaging sight and ADRO drone Jamming system Attached


Sumadija MLRS
Jerina 1 missile: 285km range
Jerina 2 Missile: 75km range


155mm Nora B52/MGS Aleksandar Self Propelled Artillery
can use all NATO 155mm rounds.
Serbian Made M15 : 56km
HE V-LAP: 67km



HN-42M/HN-45M GAMA Gazelle Helicopter
2x Igla IR missiles for A-A (Strela-2M for H-42M)
4x Modernized Malyutka ATGM

4x MI-35M have been purchased

LSRVM M18 Oganj Modular MLRS:
it can fire
Rockets:
107mm
122mm Grad
128mm Oganj

and Missiles:
Kosava-1 cruise missile - 50km range
Kosava-2 Cruise missile - 70km range
ALAS guided missile - 25km Range
RALAS guided Missile - 9km range


Cant Post links as its my first post, but can forward them if needed.

[SRB-Z32]

Also, Serbian MIG29s are being modernized to SM standard with N-019M1 Topaz radar(which is a further upgrade of the N-019MP radar on the MiG-29SMP), able to detect a fighter sized target at 120km. Additional air to air Missiles being intehgrated and already purchased are RVV-SD, R-27ET and R-27ER1. There is additional information showing a DECM system may be purchased from Belarus which will more than likely be the Talisman System that is also on Syrian MiG29s. Guided bombs and missiles from newer fulcrum models are also being integrated.

[kuwan.luis]

Hi,

Here are some possible changes to the database I recommend:

1. C-130 and C-17 should be able to carry HIMARS.
2. C-130 and C-17 should be able to conduct air-dropping.
3. F-16V should be able to carry AGM-158B/C.

Thank you.

[Gunner98]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Project 22800 Karakurt Class Corvette - Russian Navy</summary>
<detail>Could not find these in the DB, 3 are active and 16 are planned as a more seagoing version of the Buyan missile ships</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... corvettes/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rials.html
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems ... -karakurt/
https://defence21.com/en/project-22800- ... t-corvette
</evidence>

[ParachuteProne]

<type>Update</type>
<summary> Update in development Canadian Type 26 with more accurate info for Canadian vessel
<detail> Current vessel in database for Canada is Using the UK Type 26 which is very different.
<evidence>
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -frigates/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... _Combatant

Thanks

[ai_beyondcontrol]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Minor information update for entry [4774-XQ-222 Valkyrie]</summary>
<detail>According to Kratos' own propaganda materials, XQ-222 Valkyrie shall be renamed into XQ-58A Valkyrie. The UCAV shall have a length of 30 ft and wingspan of 27 ft, with a GTOW of 6,000 lb.
<Evidence>
Please refer to the uploaded figure, acquired from Kratos' Overview Briefing on Oct.22nd,2020.
</Evidence>

Thank you.

[KLAB]

Project 22800 Karakurt Russian Navy Small Missile Ship
Just for emphasis this is quite an important class numbers wise and there would ideally be two DB entries as the first two vessels differ from the rest in having two AK-630M astern not the Pantsir-M combined SAM/30mm CIWS which will arm the bulk of the fleet.

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Project 22800 Karakurt Corvette Mytishchi (Mod 1) -Russian Navy 2018 and Project 22800 Karakurt Corvette Oditsovo/Shvkal (Mod 2) - Russian Navy 2021 (?)</summary>
<detail>First two vessels Mytishchi (ex Uragan) and Sovetsk (ex Taifun) have 2 x 30mm AK-630M CIWS port and starboard astern covering large arcs each side but not forward due to the bridge.
The remainder from the Oditsovo* onward will have the Pantsir-M mount using an 8 pack of SAM's* and 2 x 30mm AO-18KD six-barrel guns in single mount astern. Kozelsk/Shvkal/Oditsovo was launched in 2019 and it's commissioning date is TBC.

*Helpfully it appears the names keep being changed as well as Odintsovo is listed as being the ex-Shvkal (Storm/Squall) as is the Kozelsk but in any event the 3rd vessel onward has Pantsir-M and the video still shows 584 to be named the Shvkal.

*Details of the type of SAM vary from the 20km weapon used in the land based Pantsir to the laser guided 10km Sosna. The former would seem more credible as an effector.
The Russian ships info page has the best presentation of the relevant information.
They are also to be equipped with Orlan-10 UAV's, in what appears to be a catapult launched and water landing recovery system</detail>

Thanks for considering both. K
As per the attached image from a You tube screen shot this is Shvkal 584 before being renamed.
<evidence>
https://youtu.be/0x0mK97Uxhg
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rials.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette
http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_22800.htm
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.blog ... 22800.html
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... -uavs.html
</evidence>

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Project 22800 Karakurt Class Corvette - Russian Navy</summary>
<detail>Could not find these in the DB, 3 are active and 16 are planned as a more seagoing version of the Buyan missile ships</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... corvettes/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... rials.html
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems ... -karakurt/
https://defence21.com/en/project-22800- ... t-corvette
</evidence>

MRK 584 Shvkal Karakurt Project 22800 Corvette (3rd vessel)

[14yellow14]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Russian Yasen-M submarine</summary>
<detail>
The first improved project-885M Yasen-M Class submarine, K-561 Kazan, was launched at the Sevmash yard on 31st March 2017. It is approximately 10-12 meters shorter than the first boat. The reduction in length is distributed across most sections with single frames removed from several places. The most significant external change is the elimination of the large vertical flank array immediately behind the bow sonar.

Izvestia reports on how the Yasen-M SSGN will differ from the original Yasen, the Severodvinsk, including going from 139 to 130 meters in length, a crew of 90 to 64, from 10 torpedo tubes to 8, a more pointed bow, and greater munitions countermeasures.

The improved Yasen M-class SSN is reportedly quieter than the lead Yasen-class boat. It is built with low magnetic steel to reduce its magnetic signature.

The Kazan is fitted with eight vertical &#1057;&#1052;-346 complex (3&#1056;-14&#1042;) silos for submarine-launched cruise missiles as well as 8 torpedo tubes for firing (…) [missiles and torpedoes]. The Severodvinsk can carry up to 40 Kalibr cruise missiles while the second, Kazan, can carry 32.


</detail>
<Evidence>
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... to-service
https://thediplomat.com/2020/01/russia- ... submarine/
http://www.hisutton.com/Pr885_Severodvinsk_Class.html
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1247132496074100737
</Evidence>


Thanks!