Should France be able to resist Germany?

[Tanaka]

One thing I've noticed is that the "Germans approach Paris event and French morale falls" seems to occur way too early. Like while the French still have a good defense up near the border. I think this event should occur when the Germans are actually closer to Paris and it would allow the French to put up a better fight without having to change much at all...

[Bo Rearguard]

ORIGINAL: Alcibiades73

Was it worth it? More specifically, did it give you better end game result as Allies than if you pulled out early?

Hard to say as I can't interrogate the AI as I might a human player. But having to forgo for months the plunder you reap from the fall of France probably didn't help the AI Axis cause any. I did notice the invasion of the Soviet Union started later than usual. In June instead of the first decent weather months in the spring, and some units arrived into action under-strength. The Axis AI also had to conduct its Yugoslavia campaign in some really bad winter weather.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Bo Rearguard


Hard to say as I can't interrogate the AI as I might a human player. But having to forgo for months the plunder you reap from the fall of France probably didn't help the AI Axis cause any. I did notice the invasion of the Soviet Union started later than usual. In June instead of the first decent weather months in the spring, and some units arrived into action under-strength. The Axis AI also had to conduct its Yugoslavia campaign in some really bad winter weather.

I guess I will try both methods and find out - I will likely play this game for a long time anyways!

By the way, thanks for again for the dreadnought tip. No way I would've figured it out on my own!

[Bo Rearguard]

ORIGINAL: Alcibiades73


By the way, thanks for again for the dreadnought tip. No way I would've figured it out on my own!

Actually it was Elessar2 that gave you that dreadnought slot tip. You may have seen him previously in The Lord of the Rings.



I can't take credit for what another forum member did. [:D]

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Bo Rearguard


Actually it was Elessar2 that gave you that dreadnought slot tip. You may have seen him previously in The Lord of the Rings.



I can't take credit for what another forum member did. [:D]

Oops, mea culpa. I am an old man with a faulty memory!

[Myrddin]

Hello Alcibiades

A Strategic Command gamer and Youtuber called To the Last Bullet has uploaded a couple of his efforts to save France against the Axis AI. Look up the Vive la France playlist, if you have time - might be of interest.

( I can't seem to post the link for some reason [&:] ).

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Myrddin

Hello Alcibiades

A Strategic Command gamer and Youtuber called To the Last Bullet has uploaded a couple of his efforts to save France against the Axis AI. Look up the Vive la France playlist, if you have time - might be of interest.

( I can't seem to post the link for some reason [&:] ).

Thanks! - I will try to look.

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: Alcibiades73

ORIGINAL: Myrddin

Hello Alcibiades

A Strategic Command gamer and Youtuber called To the Last Bullet has uploaded a couple of his efforts to save France against the Axis AI. Look up the Vive la France playlist, if you have time - might be of interest.

( I can't seem to post the link for some reason [&:] ).

Thanks! - I will try to look.

Has anyone found this? I would like to see it.

[EarlyDoors]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts

ORIGINAL: Alcibiades73

ORIGINAL: Myrddin

Hello Alcibiades

A Strategic Command gamer and Youtuber called To the Last Bullet has uploaded a couple of his efforts to save France against the Axis AI. Look up the Vive la France playlist, if you have time - might be of interest.

( I can't seem to post the link for some reason [&:] ).

Thanks! - I will try to look.

Has anyone found this? I would like to see it.

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[Wahhim]

Hey there, it's Bullet. I've made two series in regard to the defense of France.

Below you've got a link to an outdated playthrough on normal difficulty that ended with the Barbarossa.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc ... iVzfnvjRjL

And here you've got a link to the most recent full playthrough on expert difficulty, excluding bonus experience points.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc ... l2ygIaRiwk

Hope that helps!

[ThunderLizard11]

Not sure this game would be much of a game if France were strong enough to hold off Axis. If that's of interest, I'd suggest playing the WW1 version of the game where you have a standoff on the Western front.

[Raptor341]

This is my number one issue with all these so called "historical" grand strategy games - they under-represent France by a significant amount to ensure the game progresses on schedule, yet they don't hold the Axis player to the same rules (Like forcing the Italians to invade Greece). In SC WiE it is possible to hold France, if only just. With some of the more realistic OOB mods it is much easier when the French receive their actual number of units vs that of the Germans as historical.

If you ask me, it should be a reasonable expectation that the Axis player may fail in this attack on France if he fails to breakthrough because that easily could have happened. The French/BEF deployed poorly, had they held back a defence in depth WW2 could have had a very different outcome.

Regardless, as far as game design goes I wish they would stop handicapping the Allied player just to make the Germans have a cake walk at the beginning of the game. I'm looking forward to seeing how WarPlan models this because I'm so tired of seeing the "France is weak, Germany is strong" method of balancing WW2 grand strategy games, at least on the average.

[Tanaka]

Meanwhile over on the WarPlan Forum [:D]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4986131

[fluidwill]

Ha! Anyone tried an "All-in" in SC?[:D]

[ThunderLizard11]

ORIGINAL: fluidwill matrix

Ha! Anyone tried an "All-in" in SC?[:D]

I've seen players aggressively defend France - it can result in a delay of France's defeat but then leaves UK open to setbacks in Middle East and potential Sea Lion.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Wahhim

Hey there, it's Bullet. I've made two series in regard to the defense of France.

Below you've got a link to an outdated playthrough on normal difficulty that ended with the Barbarossa.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc ... iVzfnvjRjL

And here you've got a link to the most recent full playthrough on expert difficulty, excluding bonus experience points.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc ... l2ygIaRiwk

Hope that helps!

Thanks much!

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: ThunderLizard2

Not sure this game would be much of a game if France were strong enough to hold off Axis. If that's of interest, I'd suggest playing the WW1 version of the game where you have a standoff on the Western front.

ORIGINAL: Raptor341

This is my number one issue with all these so called "historical" grand strategy games - they under-represent France by a significant amount to ensure the game progresses on schedule, yet they don't hold the Axis player to the same rules (Like forcing the Italians to invade Greece). In SC WiE it is possible to hold France, if only just. With some of the more realistic OOB mods it is much easier when the French receive their actual number of units vs that of the Germans as historical.

If you ask me, it should be a reasonable expectation that the Axis player may fail in this attack on France if he fails to breakthrough because that easily could have happened. The French/BEF deployed poorly, had they held back a defence in depth WW2 could have had a very different outcome.

Regardless, as far as game design goes I wish they would stop handicapping the Allied player just to make the Germans have a cake walk at the beginning of the game. I'm looking forward to seeing how WarPlan models this because I'm so tired of seeing the "France is weak, Germany is strong" method of balancing WW2 grand strategy games, at least on the average.

I think there can be a compromise between the precise replication of the historical balance of power (which would make the game too tilted toward the Allies) and the current depiction of French strength in this game (which makes the early game too tilted toward the Axis).