Axis diplomatic targets?

[Alcibiades73]

Anyone else try to invade Vichy? If yes, then when's the best time to do it?

[taffjones]

Yes, not sure about the best timing. It depends on what your strategy is.

But it can be useful if the Italians capture Vichy, they then collect the MPP, so it helps bump them up a bit [:D]

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: taffjones

Yes, not sure about the best timing. It depends on what your strategy is.

But it can be useful if the Italians capture Vichy, they then collect the MPP, so it helps bump them up a bit [:D]

Ah, you've given me ideas to address Italy's MPP problem!

When did you do it? And did it work out well?

[Illiniwek80]

I have turned Sweden a bunch of times. Here is what you get, in my experience, on average, for an investment of, say, 400 MPPs, after a delay of, say 2 years from going full on prioritization of Sweden:

1 HQ
2 armies
2 CAs
1 DD
1 Fighter
1 Corps
1 Garrison

Worthwhile? You decide.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80

I have turned Sweden a bunch of times. Here is what you get, in my experience, on average, for an investment of, say, 400 MPPs, after a delay of, say 2 years from going full on prioritization of Sweden:

1 HQ
2 armies
2 CAs
1 DD
1 Fighter
1 Corps
1 Garrison

Worthwhile? You decide.

That is indeed a lot of hardware. I suppose it might be worth it if you do not have a specific timeframe that you must turn (e.g. Turkey for Barbarossa).

[Illiniwek80]

That is indeed a lot of hardware. I suppose it might be worth it if you do not have a specific timeframe that you must turn (e.g. Turkey for Barbarossa).

Forgot to mention that, in addition to the above units and the income, Sweden's units have a real eye pleasing color scheme! That's why I lead them in assaults. In my current game, they are somewhere in Tibet.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80

That is indeed a lot of hardware. I suppose it might be worth it if you do not have a specific timeframe that you must turn (e.g. Turkey for Barbarossa).

Forgot to mention that, in addition to the above units and the income, Sweden's units have a real eye pleasing color scheme! That's why I lead them in assaults. In my current game, they are somewhere in Tibet.

Wow. So you are trying to link up with Japan? That's my dream as Axis, but Japan struggles to finish China, and Germany can't even get to the Caucasus. But I will see what happens in my new game.

[Illiniwek80]

Wow. So you are trying to link up with Japan? That's my dream as Axis, but Japan struggles to finish China, and Germany can't even get to the Caucasus. But I will see what happens in my new game.

Well, yeah, the Allies have offered to unconditionally surrender but I am often too emotionally invested to accept, and its fun to send units off to out-of-the-way scenic places to do some sightseeing. It also seems premature to end the game until China has surrendered, or maybe seeing Finnish troops patrolling the streets of Chicago.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80


Well, yeah, the Allies have offered to unconditionally surrender but I am often too emotionally invested to accept, and its fun to send units off to out-of-the-way scenic places to do some sightseeing. It also seems premature to end the game until China has surrendered, or maybe seeing Finnish troops patrolling the streets of Chicago.

LMAO!

[Illiniwek80]

LMAO!

Know that else is fun and easy (a little off-topic, but then I'll stop)? Sending Japanese troops to sneakily occupy Anchorage. It doesn't accomplish anything militarily, but it really cheeses America off!

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80

LMAO!

Know that else is fun and easy (a little off-topic, but then I'll stop)? Sending Japanese troops to sneakily occupy Anchorage. It doesn't accomplish anything militarily, but it really cheeses America off!

Unfortunately, I cannot spare any Japanese troops. If I had spare, I'd throw them on the Siberian front first - which I never even have troops to open in the first place. Axis have a serious manpower problem - unless they manage to recruit a lot of allies.

[wobbleguts]

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[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: Alcibiades73

Oh, I forgot to ask: What about Finland? Could they give me a fast back-door access to Leningrad? Or at least allow me to hit Leningrad from two directions, as my Barbarossa ground to a halt in Leningrad (as well as Moscow and Stalingrad) the last run?

Yes. Playing as Germany a few games ago I pumped DP's into Finland and they did decaare war on Russia. However, I seem to remember that they have to retain a certain number of Finish units within the Finish borders, so you will have to build more Finish units to make a real impact. Open to corrections on this as I don't recall exactly.

[wobbleguts]

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80

Wow. So you are trying to link up with Japan? That's my dream as Axis, but Japan struggles to finish China, and Germany can't even get to the Caucasus. But I will see what happens in my new game.

Well, yeah, the Allies have offered to unconditionally surrender but I am often too emotionally invested to accept, and its fun to send units off to out-of-the-way scenic places to do some sightseeing. It also seems premature to end the game until China has surrendered, or maybe seeing Finnish troops patrolling the streets of Chicago.

Remember new players (like me), turn off the victory conditions or you won't be able to say NO when your AI opponent offers to surrender. It was disappointing when my last game ended so abruptly with that message.

This time I have invasion fleets off the Gulf of Mexico. I plan to land troops in Florida, Texas and California (via Panama). Bit silly, but it is a great way to learn the use of AVL and transported forces.

[wobbleguts]

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[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts


Yes. Playing as Germany a few games ago I pumped DP's into Finland and they did decaare war on Russia. However, I seem to remember that they have to retain a certain number of Finish units within the Finish borders, so you will have to build more Finish units to make a real impact. Open to corrections on this as I don't recall exactly.

That's not too attractive then. There's better fish in the ocean, so to speak.

ORIGINAL: wobbleguts


Remember new players (like me), turn off the victory conditions or you won't be able to say NO when your AI opponent offers to surrender. It was disappointing when my last game ended so abruptly with that message.

This time I have invasion fleets off the Gulf of Mexico. I plan to land troops in Florida, Texas and California (via Panama). Bit silly, but it is a great way to learn the use of AVL and transported forces.

I will worry about that when I can topple USSR - I can't even go beyond the three objective cities of Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad - too much unit spam

[Epekepe]

I will worry about that when I can topple USSR - I can't even go beyond the three objective cities of Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad - too much unit spam

Just a thought, I keep concentrating my forces just one or rarely two objective at a time. Rest of the front is pretty much static or slowly advancing.

[Illiniwek80]

I will worry about that when I can topple USSR - I can't even go beyond the three objective cities of Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad - too much unit spam

Nah; it collapses with stunning rapidity.

[Alcibiades73]

ORIGINAL: Epekepe


Just a thought, I keep concentrating just one or rarely two objective at a time. Rest of the front is pretty much static or slowly advancing.

I never thought of that, because months go so quickly in this game, and I am so hellbent on getting stuff done before winter on the Russian front. Also, don't the Soviets have too many units across every tile to take troops from any sector? I am afraid of counter-attacked and having my lines breached.

ORIGINAL: Illiniwek80


Nah; it collapses with stunning rapidity.

I will see if things are better this playthrough then. I suspect there is yet quite a skill gap between us to expect the same outcome on Barbarossa though!

[Illiniwek80]

I will see if things are better this playthrough then. I suspect there is yet quite a skill gap between us to expect the same outcome on Barbarossa though!

Probly not too much of one. What works for me, tho, is focusing on Logistics and massing airpower for one objective at a time: e.g., first Leningrad then Moscow. Develop Ground Attack to Level 2. Grind it out to Moscow. What happens further south is kind of up to you, but usually by 1943 whatever I have sent to Africa is up in the Caucasus. Even if it isn't doing a lot, the Russians have either diverted a bunch of units to defending it or I am waltzing around taking their oil. Either way, its good. The AI doesnt seem to know how to cope with it.