50mm Mortars way too strong?

[AngularMan]

In most battle reports I have seen, 50mm mortars are way more successful than machine guns (often by an order of magnitude). In fact, they are often one of the main damage dealers. If you want to see proof of this, just examine some random battle results in the Grand Campaign.

But if you look at the actual history, both sides phased out production of their 50 mm mortars at some point during the war, because they were deemed not effective enough.

So clearly, something is wrong with the effectiveness of 50mm mortars in game. I am not saying they should be useless, but they shouldn't be one of the most effective weapons in game.

[Jeff_Ahl]

ORIGINAL: AngularMan

In most battle reports I have seen, 50mm mortars are way more successful than machine guns (often by an order of magnitude). In fact, they are often one of the main damage dealers. If you want to see proof of this, just examine some random battle results in the Grand Campaign.

But if you look at the actual history, both sides phased out production of their 50 mm mortars at some point during the war, because they were deemed not effective enough.

So clearly, something is wrong with the effectiveness of 50mm mortars in game. I am not saying they should be useless, but they shouldn't be one of the most effective weapons in game.

+1

[Speedysteve]

[;)]

[Denniss]

that's rather 500 than 50

[Speedysteve]

It’s the enhanced super 50mm version

[Bamilus]

ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

It’s the enhanced super 50mm version

Size DOES matter [:D]

[king171717]

ORIGINAL: AngularMan

In most battle reports I have seen, 50mm mortars are way more successful than machine guns (often by an order of magnitude). In fact, they are often one of the main damage dealers. If you want to see proof of this, just examine some random battle results in the Grand Campaign.

But if you look at the actual history, both sides phased out production of their 50 mm mortars at some point during the war, because they were deemed not effective enough.

So clearly, something is wrong with the effectiveness of 50mm mortars in game. I am not saying they should be useless, but they shouldn't be one of the most effective weapons in game.

Ya it does way to much damage, it even does more than the 81mm mortar I noticed.

[Arthurius]

In my 1941-1942 Campaign 50mm mortars were the best weapon in 95-98% battles! For example 80 x 50mm mortars did 100 casualties and 50 x 81 mm mortars did 10 casualties. Particulary in defence the most effective weapon should be MG-34 and MG-42 Machine Guns. You shuould check the battle resolution code Guys.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Bamilus

ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

It’s the enhanced super 50mm version

Size DOES matter [:D]

warspite1

Damn....[:(]

[Rusty1961]

Studies showed most ground battle casualties were due to arty, most of that being mortars.

[king171717]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

Studies showed most ground battle casualties were due to arty, most of that being mortars.

No way thats holds for the Germans against the Russians. Especially 1941/1942 when Soviets were very poorly commanded and didnt coordinate there attacks with artillery well, which lead to German machine guns mowing troops down in the open. For the Germans the machinegunner was the life and death of their squad/company.

[Joel Billings]

Does anyone have a save before a battle we can run to see the 50s doing so well? In cases like these, posting saves is what really helps us look into the combat system.

[king171717]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Does anyone have a save before a battle we can run to see the 50s doing so well? In cases like these, posting saves is what really helps us look into the combat system.

Just look at any ground combat involving infantry. Its very consistent. this is of of course Germans infantry divisions attacking soviet infantry divisions. Rifle squads 40 and 50mm mortar tend to the most damage and destroyed.

[Mehring]

Could be that the general truth that mortars caused more casualties than other systems has been taken to include 50mm. Might want to check Russian light morters too.

[king171717]

ORIGINAL: Mehring

Could be that the general truth that mortars caused more casualties than other systems has been taken to include 50mm. Might want to check Russian light morters too.

Just looking at battles for Soviets defending, they have rifle squads 41 with most damage and destroy and mortars 50mm doing around half of the rifle squads. Soviets had a way better 50mm mortar than the germans, heavier and more powerful.

I am playing on 115 for Soviets tho.

[carlkay58]

Here is a display from the latest turn in my AAR, if you notice the 50mm mortars have a HPE of 3.7 vs the 81mm mortars having an FPE of 1.0:

[carlkay58]

The equipment screen for the 50mm Mortar:

[carlkay58]

And now the screen for the 81mm Mortar:

[carlkay58]

I don't see anything in those screens that would account for the 50mm being that much better than the 81mm mortar.

[king171717]

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

I don't see anything in those screens that would account for the 50mm being that much better than the 81mm mortar.

Only thing i could think of is the range. That the 51mm fires closer and thus inflicts more damage. But i have no idea, i am guessing.

Thanks for the screenshots carlkay58