Historical Flag Mod Coming?

[Rick402]

that Shit law still applys to Military Scale models though. which sux cause when i build i build to the most Historical accurate model i can and Want

[Dreamslayer]

ORIGINAL: MishaTX

the Soviet Union which was even more murderous than Nazi Germany (which is saying quite a bit!)

Who is here, the Nazi fan? I guess that USSR was too merciful to Germany and its puppets.

[Hagar]

In all fairness, Stalin's track record isn't exactly spotless... Katyn certainly comes to mind, for one, and that is even without the suffering of the Soviet people during Stalin's regime. But that does nothing to belittle the atrocities of the Nazis, and one can understand why Soviet soldiers weren't exactly in a forgiving mood after what the Germans did to the Soviet population in the USSR. Who was worse is up to debate, but if we limit it to Hitler vs. Stalin one can easily agree both were pretty much out there.

[Dreamslayer]

ORIGINAL: Hagar
Who was worse is up to debate, but if we limit it to Hitler vs. Stalin one can easily agree both were pretty much out there.

Of course for Western people it is up to debate. Because most of them know nothing about the real war like it was on Eastern Front. Main their blame to Hitler its a what is commonly called Holocaust. So its Nazi politics to Jews but who cares about millions of USSR population right?
Why do you think that most of that Western people know about USSR, Eastern Front, Stalin etc. are not actually fake or propaganda of Western governments? How you can try to get a neutral analysis about the subject if you only have access to Western sources?
Stop to read various pulp fiction from Guderian/Mainstein or others Germans from Historical Division of US Army. Try something more actual like "Notizen aus dem Vernichtungskrieg Die Ostfront 1941/42 in den Aufzeichnungen des Generals Heinrici" ,I'm not sure if there is English edition already. Or maybe modern Russian history books/articles.
The other problem imho is that after "Cold war" ended and "Iron Curtain"(yes another one Western cliche) gone its only happened for Russia because on the West people still live with it. They can't get something normal about USSR/Russia. That's why I speak with somebody from the West (Western Europe, US, Australia) I often have feeling like this person stucked in 50s and The Caribbean crisis just happened =D

[Hagar]

As I recall, about 6 million Jews died under the Nazi regime, but well over 20 million died due to Nazism, most of them in the Soviet sphere. Stalin accounts for about 30 million or so, albeit in a longer timeframe. And Nazi atrocities in the East were brutal... The last thing I want to do is to downplay those. Nor did MishaTX intend to, methinks. Both the Stalin regime and the Nazis have plenty of blood on their hands. And neither of them cared much for their own population. The Soviet Union as a whole is a different matter, as you can't compare the days of Stalin to that of the post-1953 era.

[MishaTX]

ORIGINAL: Dreamslayer

ORIGINAL: MishaTX

the Soviet Union which was even more murderous than Nazi Germany (which is saying quite a bit!)

Who is here, the Nazi fan? I guess that USSR was too merciful to Germany and its puppets.

Normally I wouldn't even dignify an insult like that with a response, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you simply misunderstood what I was saying.

My point was NOT to say "yeah, but others were bad too, so it doesn't matter what the Nazis did", because that would be crazy. One horrifying regime's deeds do not make another horrifying regime's atrocities any less of an issue. They're BOTH issues, and they should BOTH be remembered. So why aren't they? Why aren't the Stalinist purges and forced relocations taught as well? And what about the Holodomor?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I do agree with you, however, that the atrocities committed by the Nazis in Russia and the Ukraine aren't nearly documented enough, at least not here in the West, but that's finally changing. It has nothing to do with what my point was, though.

Peace.

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: MishaTX

ORIGINAL: Dreamslayer

ORIGINAL: MishaTX

the Soviet Union which was even more murderous than Nazi Germany (which is saying quite a bit!)

Who is here, the Nazi fan? I guess that USSR was too merciful to Germany and its puppets.

Normally I wouldn't even dignify an insult like that with a response, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume that you simply misunderstood what I was saying.

My point was NOT to say "yeah, but others were bad too, so it doesn't matter what the Nazis did", because that would be crazy. One horrifying regime's deeds do not make another horrifying regime's atrocities any less of an issue. They're BOTH issues, and they should BOTH be remembered. So why aren't they? Why aren't the Stalinist purges and forced relocations taught as well? And what about the Holodomor?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I do agree with you, however, that the atrocities committed by the Nazis in Russia and the Ukraine aren't nearly documented enough, at least not here in the West, but that's finally changing. It has nothing to do with what my point was, though.

Peace.

25-30 million is the total number of victims of the Soviet regime and famines for the period from 1921 to 1954! But this is not the death toll! The exact death toll is unknown. About 700 thousand people were shot and some more died in prisons and camps, as well as during famine in different regions of the Soviet Union (Ukraine, the Volga region and other regions). This is a huge figure, but over a long period. The Germans killed several times more people in just a few years, therefore, in the eyes of the Russian people, Hitler is much more terrible than Stalin. Therefore, Western propaganda has had little success in Russia and other countries of the former USSR. In addition, on the part of Hitler, genocide was applied not only to the Jews, but also to other nationalities of the USSR, and on the part of Stalin, these were selective repressions, usually associated with the class principle.

[Lurberri]

Thanks

[supersixfour]

I was about to post updated flag mod but now it seems I need to have 10 messages and on top of it wait a week after that.
Funny how I could share previous one at 3 posts.