Japanese Upkeep Oil usage

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: sajm0n

From manual:

Oil Maintenance – All units require oil to keep them in. If no oil is available for an oil unit, the units do not get the base recovery for effectiveness but do get the supply level and headquarters effectiveness recovery.
For land, air, and naval units in port, 1 oil stockpile of maintenance is used for every 3 units/naval groups on the map.

No idea why your production is only 17 though.

This is one of the areas I am confused on. The manual also says if your ships are in a level 9 port the 3 Units/naval use doesn't apply. So I put all my ships in level 9 ports. No change in that upkeep number.

Other type units I am not sure of. Based on the WarPlan (Europe) the upkeep would go to 0 if you didn't move your units. So far Pacific looks like it has some kind of base consumption which I can't seem to find a factor for.

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: ago1000

You may want to read this thread. It went dead and I don't know if Alvaro found something or not.
At the end Tyronec had to send Alvaro his game file. Seems like the same issue.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5021740

I am seeing some of this. But the math never comes out similar to what that thread showed. It is one of those if I can't figure out why the oil is being used or not showing up in Production I can't fix my strategy to correct the problem.

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: Uxbridge

Infantry units don't use oil per se, but if they're not in a rail hex they cause the cost of 1/3 of an oil point as motorized logistics has to deal them supply.

Is there any way to tell if this is occurring?
In WarPlan infantry never used oil regardless of supply lines. Is this something new in Pacific?
The reason I am not sure of this is most of the units in China are not on or near rail lines. They should probably absorb all oil production. The Chinese army ought to just die since they don't have rail lines in most of their territory.

[kennonlightfoot]

We definitely need a detail description of how the oil system works. Especially for the Japanese since they live or die on how well this resource is managed. The Allied player rarely needs to worry about Oil.

[sajm0n]

ORIGINAL: kennonlightfoot

ORIGINAL: sajm0n

From manual:

Oil Maintenance – All units require oil to keep them in. If no oil is available for an oil unit, the units do not get the base recovery for effectiveness but do get the supply level and headquarters effectiveness recovery.
For land, air, and naval units in port, 1 oil stockpile of maintenance is used for every 3 units/naval groups on the map.

No idea why your production is only 17 though.

The manual also says if your ships are in a level 9 port the 3 Units/naval use doesn't apply.

Can you tell me where is it in the manual, because i cant find it?

EDIT: maybe you meant this?

Units on a map supply level 9 do not use oil as they get supplies directly from the train. Oil maintenance reflects trucks driving supplies to the units from the rail.

[eskuche]

In my experience Japan doesn’t seriously need to worry about oil. With DEI you have around 55 production and only about 40 consumption with the entire navy out. The leftover goes to air attacks.

[kennonlightfoot]

Can you tell me where is it in the manual, because i cant find it?

Manual says: Units on a map supply level 9 do not use
oil as they get supplies directly from the train.

This is oddly worded. Does "Units" include Naval? What does it mean by "from the train".
Since I couldn't identify anything that would consume oil at the rate the upkeep was indicating, I moved all my ships to level 9 ports just in case. So far nothing I have done has lowered the "Upkeep" number below 26.

[kennonlightfoot]

ORIGINAL: eskuche

In my experience Japan doesn’t seriously need to worry about oil. With DEI you have around 55 production and only about 40 consumption with the entire navy out. The leftover goes to air attacks.

True if production doesn't fall off. But I was seeing numbers as low as 9 in 42/43. I couldn't find a cause for this but it doesn't take long for a base upkeep of 26+ to run the Japanese out of oil at that low of production.

If I can't identify the cause, then I can't prevent it from happening. This was against the AI as Allies. A Player would have wiped me out for the length time I my air and navy was grounded.

[sajm0n]

ORIGINAL: kennonlightfoot

ORIGINAL: eskuche

In my experience Japan doesn’t seriously need to worry about oil. With DEI you have around 55 production and only about 40 consumption with the entire navy out. The leftover goes to air attacks.

True if production doesn't fall off. But I was seeing numbers as low as 9 in 42/43. I couldn't find a cause for this but it doesn't take long for a base upkeep of 26+ to run the Japanese out of oil at that low of production.

If I can't identify the cause, then I can't prevent it from happening. This was against the AI as Allies. A Player would have wiped me out for the length time I my air and navy was grounded.

Alvaro already pointed out that on your screen Palembang is damaged (as well as oil field near Sarawak) and that this mechanic (scorched earth) will be gone from DEI in next patch.

[ago1000]

Also when checking for damage, it's good to turn units off, supply on and trade on when looking at the map.

[kennonlightfoot]

It had taken 10 points of damage which leaves it with 20 Oil yet I only have Oil Production of 17. That one hex should have produced more than what I am getting as a total.

That is what is baffling me. I can find some small causes but nothing that would wipe out the amount of production that seems to be missing. After about 5 or 6 turns my production went back up to over 60. But I didn't do anything to fix the problem since I never figured out what the problem was.

[eskuche]

As the previous poster has said, the port exporting the oil was damaged and so couldn’t export it until it was automatically repaired over time.

[ago1000]

Palembang rails oil to the the port Bander Lampung. If the rail in Palembang is damaged, then the 30 oil there and the 2 oil behind it cannot make it to the port. Branch 1 Below will not be created and you will lose 32 oil. The pic below will change depending on damage to rail, number of MMs. The AI makes adjustments. The pic below is optimal, no damage to delivery.