The War in the East began on September 1, 1939

[Templer_12]

The war in the east began on September 1, 1939

I would be happy to find the start on September 1, 1939 in an upcoming DLC.

[erikbengtsson]

Wasn't it the 17th?

[Templer_12]

ORIGINAL: erikbengtsson

Wasn't it the 17th?

No sir,

September 1, 1939
The Wehrmacht 'fired back from 5:45 a.m.'.

September 17, 1939
At 6 o'clock the Soviet army crossed the Polish border.

[erikbengtsson]

I was obviously referring to Stalin's follow-up attack on Poland on the 17th. That's when the war came from the east.

And I also think one of two Poles might take offense to the notion of they being the "East".

But sure, a War in Europe game would be interesting. We did have a thread about it not so long ago.

[Cavalry Corp]

can you imagine trying to play this without a watchable replay.
Without that I would not be buying - its bad enough now. Part of the fun is seeing your opponents tactics. In AE seeing your oppnenents attitudes/ tactics in playbacks is verrrryyyyy important

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: Templer_12

The war in the east began on September 1, 1939

I would be happy to find the start on September 1, 1939 in an upcoming DLC.

Many historians in our country believe that it is more correct to consider the beginning of the war the capture of Czechoslovakia by the Germans!

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: erikbengtsson

I was obviously referring to Stalin's follow-up attack on Poland on the 17th. That's when the war came from the east.

And I also think one of two Poles might take offense to the notion of they being the "East".

But sure, a War in Europe game would be interesting. We did have a thread about it not so long ago.

Did Stalin declare war on Poland? He simply sent troops into Western Ukraine and Western Belarus when the Polish government had already fled the country. In fact, there were no hostilities.

[Denniss]

invading/occupying foreign territory without consent by the territory's owner is and has always been an act of war.
WW2 can actually be traced back to the japanese actions in China

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

invading/occupying foreign territory without consent by the territory's owner is and has always been an act of war.
WW2 can actually be traced back to the japanese actions in China

Then Russia is also at war with Ukraine? After all, she sent troops to the Crimea! And the United States is at war with Syria! American troops were also sent there without the consent of the Syrian government!

[GibsonPete]

The Soviet invasion of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Eastern Poland was an act of war and was not bloodless. As for modern day incidents I will let others decide on the morality or legality of such acts. When WWII started is based on perception... the Chinese view differs from the Czech view or the Russian or the French or the North American.

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

The Soviet invasion of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Eastern Poland was an act of war and was not bloodless. As for modern day incidents I will let others decide on the morality or legality of such acts. When WWII started is based on perception... the Chinese view differs from the Czech view or the Russian or the French or the North American.

Why, then, did the armies of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia become the territorial corps of the Soviet army? This is a matter of big politics, when different countries do the same thing, but evaluate their actions differently! As one of the leaders of the United States said, this is a bad guy, but he is our guy! Therefore, different interpretations of the same event from different sides are not uncommon! It was and will be!

[GibsonPete]

"... different interpretations of the same event from different sides are not uncommon! It was and will be!"

I agree. Also remember that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed combat units that fight alongside the Axis. The Rumanians also fought with first the Axis and then with the Soviets. Who was right and who was wrong. I appreciate your views.

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

"... different interpretations of the same event from different sides are not uncommon! It was and will be!"

I agree. Also remember that Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania formed combat units that fight alongside the Axis. The Rumanians also fought with first the Axis and then with the Soviets. Who was right and who was wrong. I appreciate your views.

National corps existed in the Soviet army even during the war! For example, here is the history of the Estonian Corps of the Soviet Army!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Estonian_Rifle_Corps

The 8th Estonian Rifle Corps (2nd formation)[1] (Russian: 8-й Эстонский стрелковый корпус, Estonian: 8. Eesti Laskurkorpus) was a formation in the Soviet Army, created on 6 November 1942, during World War II.

An 8th Rifle Corps (but not made up of Estonian personnel) had been previously formed, taking part in the Soviet invasion of Poland as part of the 5th Army,[2] and, on the outbreak of war on 22 June 1941, this first formation was part of the 26th Army in the Kiev Special Military District, consisting of the 99th, the 173rd, and the 72nd Mountain Rifle Divisions.[3] The first formation of the 8th Rifle Corps was destroyed in the first three months of the German invasion and is not present on the Soviet order of battle after August 1941.[4]

The 8th Estonian Rifle Corps was formed of mobilized ethnic Estonians, who were at first brought in Russia (where many of them died because of poor conditions); the battalions created in Estonia and incorporated former officials of the Republic of Estonia's army.[citation needed] In the order of battle, the corps appears in the Stavka Reserves by 1 November 1942 and is subordinated to the Kalinin Front by 1 December 1942.[5]

When 2nd formation was formed in 1942, the corps' structure consisted of the 7th and 249th Rifle Divisions stationed in Estonia, reinforced by volunteers from the Estonian Communist Party organisation. In an effort to increase overall formation experience, the battle-hardened 19th Guards Rifle Division later joined the 8th Rifle Corps. As a result, the corps was briefly re-designated as 8th Guards Rifle Corps.[6] Throughout its entire existence, the rifle corps was commanded by Lieutenant General Lembit Pärn.


Contents
1 War service
2 Post-war
3 See also
4 Citations
5 Literature
War service
The corps fought a total 916 days in the war, and at different times it was in service on the Kalinin, the Leningrad and the 2nd Baltic Front. For 344 days, parts of the corps were engaged with German forces, but no significant gains were made. For the next 123 days, the formation was engaging in the Battle of Velikiye Luki where 13,000 of the 27,000 men were killed or wounded. Then, 37 days were spent in the Battle of Narva, and the final 88 days were devoted to the Battle of Courland. During the Battle of Narva in 1944, the artillery of the rifle corps fired on the 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian), consisting of Estonians fighting in the Waffen SS. The infantry of the corps was engaged in direct battle with the Estonians on the German side in the battles of Porkuni and Avinurme on 20 and 21 September 1944, where a detachment of the rifle corps murdered a number of wounded prisoners of war.[7] On 22 September elements of the 7th Rifle Division, along with the 45th Estonian Tank Regiment and the 952nd SU Regiment (SU-76s), formed the forward detachment of the corps and entered Tallinn, for which all three units received the name of that city as a battle honor.[8]

Appears to have spent the last of its World War II service in the 42nd Army.

Post-war
In total, 4100 settlements were captured by the 8th Estonian Rifle Corps. Of the whole rifle corps, one division, six regiments, and one battalion were decorated with an order. The 8th Estonian Rifle Corps was also given the honorific "Tallinn", and on June 28, 1945, the corps was renamed the 41st Guards Estonian Tallinn Rifle Corps. The two component divisions were also honored; the 7th became the 118th Guards Rifle Division and the 249th became the 122nd Guards Rifle Division. In 1946, both divisions were inactivated to provide personnel for other Soviet activities in the Estonian Soviet Socialist Republic.[9]

According to the 23 June 1945 decision of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union, demobilization of the Red Army started. The first 8th Rifle Corps fighters were demobilized on 16 July 1945. By the end of 1946, 16,550 men were demobilized. Of those, 3,425 (20.7%) started to work in the administrative or legal bodies of the Soviet occupation regime (Communist Party, Komsomol, trade unions etc.).

[GibsonPete]

Your knowledge of history is impressive. Are you aware of the achievements of the Polish forces raised by the Allies (United Kingdom) and what happened to those soldiers, airmen and sailors who returned to Poland after the war? I believe we straying off topic. I admire your knowledge of history. We need more like you.

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

Your knowledge of history is impressive. Are you aware of the achievements of the Polish forces raised by the Allies (United Kingdom) and what happened to those soldiers, airmen and sailors who returned to Poland after the war? I believe we straying off topic. I admire your knowledge of history. We need more like you.

Thank you! But I don't really know much! I learned a lot thanks to this game! For example, I learned about the Estonian corpus during the translation into Russian of Witepedia in the game!