Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>RAF E-3Ds retire 2021.</summary>
<detail>Add out of service date of 2021 to #587</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/ra ... l-mission/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lin ... e-58085388
https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/na ... 32.article
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/us-purc ... d-for-15m/
</evidence>

[KLAB]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>SU-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-]) Russian Air force NOT just Navy with R-77-1.</summary>
<detail>REF #4582 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2015) (Navy, 2015 New Built 12x)

Imagery clearly showing Russian Air force SU-30SM's with R-77-1 in an apparent operational squadron service in photos from Vladimir Sergeevich dated 2021.

Possibly just a case of amending title of DB3k entry #4582 to remove the "NAVY" reference and copy it.

The Su-30SM has always been slated as carrying the R-77-1 but these photos prove its in operational squadron use with earlier batch Russian air force SU-30SM's not just the newer Navy production batch. From the images it looks possibly to be Domna (Chita) airbase making these 120th IAP fighters.

Would appear the large order for the R-77-1 is finally impacting squadron service, but this Squadron started training with AKU-170 pylons way back in 2016.

So as for an exact in service date for the Air Force who knows? [&:]</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... r-missiles Big R-77-1 Order placed 2018.
https://russianplanes.net/id288374 image of SU-30SM Bort 50 blue - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons. Operational RuAF not NAVY.
https://russianplanes.net/id288368 image of SU-30SM Bort 18 RED - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons behind bowser truck. Also visible 10 BLACK and 50 BLUE.
</evidence>

Appreciate this is window dressing but for the sake of accuracy and it is only for consideration.
Thanks
K

[KLAB]

https://tvzvezda.ru/schedule/programs/2 ... 7Cxgf.html

Useful 38 minute Video of Mi-8AMTSh-VN. 08/08/21.

Looks like a newer version of the Vitebsk suite.

Five 12.7mm Kord HMG's, two fixed single forward firing mounts, (one mounted on each of the port / starboard pylons) and flexible single door mounts at the port, starboard doors plus one flexible mount firing from the rear cargo ramp.
The pylon fixed 12.7mm mounts seem to have an increased ammunition feed from inside the helicopter.
Video talks of having 360 weapons coverage to give an idea of the arcs.

ATGM's are likely AT-9 Spiral II Ataka 9M120-1 plus the usual S-8 rockets.

Interesting part will be how many people it can really carry at a full external weapons load, with all door gunners etc.

K

ORIGINAL: BDukes

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Mi-8AMTSh-VN Russian 2022</summary>
<detail>First production model of Mi-8AMTSh-VN has flown. It's the Russian Spec ops helicopter. I would copy #4568. Add Vibetsk per KLAB's post (2nd Link). Take a look at the 2 sensor globes below, EO and IR. Can likely laze. Speed looks close enough. Note Gun pod loadout and door gun in 1st and 3rd link. IR dampening. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/f ... -8amtsh-vn
fb.asp?m=4871982
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/27479 ... Helicopter
</evidence>

[Broncepulido]

ORIGINAL: KLAB

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>SU-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-]) Russian Air force NOT just Navy with R-77-1.</summary>
<detail>REF #4582 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2015) (Navy, 2015 New Built 12x)

Imagery clearly showing Russian Air force SU-30SM's with R-77-1 in an apparent operational squadron service in photos from Vladimir Sergeevich dated 2021.

Possibly just a case of amending title of DB3k entry #4582 to remove the "NAVY" reference and copy it.

The Su-30SM has always been slated as carrying the R-77-1 but these photos prove its in operational squadron use with earlier batch Russian air force SU-30SM's not just the newer Navy production batch. From the images it looks possibly to be Domna (Chita) airbase making these 120th IAP fighters.

Would appear the large order for the R-77-1 is finally impacting squadron service, but this Squadron started training with AKU-170 pylons way back in 2016.

So as for an exact in service date for the Air Force who knows? [&:]</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... r-missiles Big R-77-1 Order placed 2018.
https://russianplanes.net/id288374 image of SU-30SM Bort 50 blue - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons. Operational RuAF not NAVY.
https://russianplanes.net/id288368 image of SU-30SM Bort 18 RED - 2 x R-77-1 visible on fuselage pylons behind bowser truck. Also visible 10 BLACK and 50 BLUE.
</evidence>

Appreciate this is window dressing but for the sake of accuracy and it is only for consideration.
Thanks
K

From my personal notes IOC of R-77-1 is 2016, but probably only of a very short series of 30xR-77-1. Showed in Syria in 2016, deployed from 2016 in Su-35S, some 450-500 delivered to late 2017, and more widely deployed from then in these other types: MIG-29KR, MIG-29SMT, MIG-29M?, MIG-31BM, Su-27M/M3, Su-34 and Su-30SM (this one only from 3/2018). Exported to China from 2017.

Adding some sources with basically the same information:
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/m ... r-missiles
https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-bal ... le-upgrade

[Coiler12]

Hypothetical Unit Request: F1-11F Super Tiger

F-11F Super Tiger Version 98J-5 Export
Hypothetical Aircraft

As per the CWDB post.

-Export version, presumably without carrier capability.
-Has a J79 engine which boosts its performance to the in-practice maximum (ie, top speed Mach 1.6) for most fighter aircraft.
-Multirole capability, as shown in the (linked) picture.
-Was tested with Bullpup missiles in addition to the bombs shown.
-Radar an "APQ-50 type".

Should be either "Generic" or "None" similar to how the F-20 currently is in the DB3K. While the F-11 would have been long out of American service by the time the DB3K's timeframe is entered, it could easily have stayed around in export customers in that time period.

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Nice IRST diagram to show what US IRST is on what aircraft.</summary>
<detail> </detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1428 ... 76/photo/1
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Gripen Loadout updates</summary>
<detail>In general it looks like 1 meteor pylon is missing from strike loadouts for C/D/E/F. First image 2 GBU-10 center, fuel tank, 1 IRST, 1 Meteor each wing. Second 1 Litening 2 center, 1 large fuel tank center, 8 GBU-29, 1 Meteor, 1 IRST each wing. 3rd- 2 GBU-49 centerline, 2 Meteors, 1 Iris-T each wing. 4th Image-new Jammer Pod (note 2020 image and 2019 image). Looks like the pod is called EAJP. </detail>
<evidence>
https://www.defencetalk.com/military/ph ... oad.34912/
https://defenceview.in/wp-content/uploa ... afal-7.jpg
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-conte ... en-E-1.jpg
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... ipen-offer
https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-rel ... in-the-air
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/outsmarting- ... ew-systems
https://www.facebook.com/saabtechnologi ... 532249011/
</evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please update load-out F-15I Raam, Israeli Air Force</summary>
<detail>Loadout visible with 3x GBU-31's, with, on one side 1x AIM-120 and 1x Python-4/5 A-A missiles. Probably also possible on the other side.

Because not all targets are far away as Iran, a short range heavy load-out is useful for scenarios. Photo in Flickr is in higher resolution.</detail>

<evidence>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jlt_egcc74/47864194221/
</evidence>

Thanks

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please consider some updates on the Israeli F-15 variants</summary>
<detail>
1. There is a F-15D Baz variant with ELK-1891 SATCOM beyond line of sight equipment (bubble behind the cockpit). First picture I found on internet was taken in 2015. Possibly to act as a Command and Control element for other A/C or UAV control.

From the manufacturer: The innovative ELK-1891 Ku-band SATCOM network was selected for its exceptional performance on rotary wing platforms. ELTA has developed a unique capability for enabling helicopter rotor penetration by mitigating rotor masking. Furthermore, the system offers high spectral efficiency and Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) capabilities, as well as relatively minor integration and installation requirements on-board the helicopter. The system enables Voice and IP data transmission and includes a 30cm dish antenna, High Power Amplifier (HPA), modem and interface to the aircraft avionics.

2. F-15I Raam and the F-16I Sufa have the same ELK-1891 SATCOM equipment. See database picture in CMO.</detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airhistory.net/photo/140541/957
https://www.flickr.com/photos/toonaew/4 ... otostream/
https://www.aviationmegastore.com/elk-1 ... art=158001
https://helihub.com/2017/10/17/iai-elta ... -customer/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/xnir/31605807303
</evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please consider some updates on the Israeli F-15 variants</summary>
<detail>
1. In the #3208 F-15C/D [Akef-2000] 2004 database variant, the F-15 C/D's have no #310 750 USG CFTs in their A-A load-outs. These where available in the F-15C/D earlier entries of the database. In the latest entry the CFTs are only available on A/G load-outs.
Evidence shows they still fly in this configuration for XL range.
Also configurations of the CFTs together with external fuel tanks. For XXL range [;)].

Please note that they still carry the Python-3 missile which is not available in the Database for the newest variants. Please also check the combination of AMRAAM and Sparrows.

<evidence>
https://imgur.com/gallery/M2AlmOy
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/11008 ... 88/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/11008 ... 72/photo/1
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/1 ... d-treasure
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... -52-escort
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128269948 ... mj8-wgFBQz
</evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add F-16C block-40 with Spice-1000 bombs </summary>
<detail>
The Spice-1000 is now only available on the #4783 F-16D block-40 (Israel -2018) and not on the F-16C Blk 40.
<detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.ph ... -jets.html
https://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/foto/ ... /181828679
<evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add #3671 Condor2 Recce Pod for Israeli F-16C/D block-40 and F-16I Sufa and F-15 Baz</summary>
<detail>
Possibly this pod is also available on the Blk 30 F-16s because the manufacturer talks about RF-4 and F-16 in general?
<detail>

<evidence>
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... egUIARCZAQ
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... B0AAAAAEAI
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... BczYwgHH_M
https://twitter.com/Kobaz4/status/11008 ... 88/photo/1
https://elbitsystems.com/landing/wp-con ... System.pdf
http://online.anyflip.com/pcle/nbyx/fil ... ge353.html
<evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add the IAI ELM-2060 SAR/ GMTI Recce Pod for the F-16C.</summary>
<detail>
The IAI EL/M-2060P is a high performance Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) with Ground Moving Target Indicator (GMTI) reconnaissance system. The complete system consists of the SAR/GMTI and a C, X or Ku band data link mounted in a 590 kg pod that can be carried externally on a variety of fighter aircraft, together with a Ground Exploitation Station (GES). The EL/M-2060P is capable of producing images of near photographic quality in all weathers, day or night and transmitting the images in near real-time via the data link over a range of over 250 miles to the GES. The SAR/GMTI can operate in either STRIP Mode, for coverage of very large areas at stand-off ranges, or SPOT mode to obtain a high resolution image of an area of interest. The data is also recorded on-board allowing it to also be interpreted once the aircraft has landed. The GES can be installed in either a fixed or transportable location and is equipped with a variety of workstations to allow rapid data reporting and exploitation.
<detail>

<evidence>
https://spyflight.co.uk/recce_pods/#ELM-2060
https://www.deagel.com/Sensor%20Systems ... 00/a001268
<evidence>

[Blast33]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Please add the AIM-9X as a weapon for the US MQ-9.</summary>
<detail>

US Air Force's 556th Test and Evaluation Squadron successfully used the MQ-9, equipped with the AIM-9X Block 2, to engage a Cruise Missile surrogate (BQM-167) in 2020.

The service expects to have 71 MQ-9s upgraded to M2DO configuration. Retrofits are “already ongoing in the field,” AFLCMC said. The Air Force has about 270 MQ-9s, and the type also serves with three allied countries and are on order with three others.

A contract to cut-in the M2DO configuration on the General Atomics production line is still in negotiation and is expected to be awarded in January 2022, AFLCMC said.<detail>

<evidence>
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1431764308753530882
https://www.creech.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2343561/abms-onramp-2-sees-second-mq-9-aim-9x-shot-and-other-cmd-tactics-development/CreechAirForceBase/
https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-to-upgrade-mq-9s-mission-and-capabilities-for-near-peer-fight/
<evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#1748 Aerostat mooring can't host or land aerostats</summary>
<detail>
Looks like a code changed might of broke the aerostat Mooring. It cannot host numerous kinds of Aerostats. They work fine from airfields etc. So no real emergency.
<detail>
<evidence>
Save file attached to this post-fb.asp?m=5066625
</evidence>

[robertqin]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#92 High Explosives and #588 High Explosives [C-4] have 8nm range.</summary>
<detail> #92 High Explosives and #588 High Explosives [C-4] have 8nm range. This range does not make sense for the way they are used with saboteurs. It is perhaps due to typo. In comparison, similar weapon #1305 Terrorist Bomb has a range of 0.1nm. </detail>
<evidence>
Look at weapon entry #92 and #588
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Add new variant of French MQ-9B Reaper with GBU-12 Loadout. IOC 2021.</summary>
<detail>France has now armed its Reapers with GBU-12 (see link 1). Add 2021 version and Add 4 GBU-12 Loadout.</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 3953669121
https://twitter.com/warplane_porn/statu ... 29/photo/1
https://news.yahoo.com/french-army-carr ... 22510.html
https://warisboring.com/france-says-oui ... er-drones/
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... vDelivery/
</evidence>

[RayRory]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#308 AN/ALQ-55 is suppose to be a communication jammer, not a DECM.</summary>
<detail>Hi, thanks to Dimitris, who spotted a DB mistake in one of the post I shared about how a B-band DECM doesn't seem to have any functionality. The AN/ALQ-55 used by the EA-6A Electric Intruder 1966 (USN and USMC) and 1986 (USN) is marked as a DECM in the simulation but it's actually a communication jammer in real life.</detail>

<evidence>I would add a link to the source, but I'm too new on this forum to do that, so I have to namedrop Dimitris as a source.</evidence>

[Broncepulido]

ORIGINAL: RayRory

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>#308 AN/ALQ-55 is suppose to be a communication jammer, not a DECM.</summary>
<detail>Hi, thanks to Dimitris, who spotted a DB mistake in one of the post I shared about how a B-band DECM doesn't seem to have any functionality. The AN/ALQ-55 used by the EA-6A Electric Intruder 1966 (USN and USMC) and 1986 (USN) is marked as a DECM in the simulation but it's actually a communication jammer in real life.</detail>

<evidence>I would add a link to the source, but I'm too new on this forum to do that, so I have to namedrop Dimitris as a source.</evidence>

Probably a little confussion with ALE-55:
https://www.deagel.com/Protection%20Sys ... 50/a001668

[Gunner98]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>the KDC-10 commercial tanker should have centerline boom refueling</summary>
<detail>DBID 4886 needs to have centerline boom refueling (similar to the Dutch KDCs DBID 3861) since that is the primary purpose of the civil contract - refueling for USAF </detail>

<evidence>
https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/kdc_10/
</evidence>

Thanks