Suggestion about formation size

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shavius
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Suggestion about formation size

Post by shavius »

There are currently three sizes of unit formation, BRIGADE/BAT, CORPS/REG, ARMY/DIV, I think it would be more appropriate to swap the position of brigade and division here.
zgrssd
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RE: Suggestion about formation size

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In the NATO symbology Brigade and Division are directly adjacent, with division being the bigger one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Join ... indicators

While the order is quesitonable, swapping them would make no sense.
shavius
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RE: Suggestion about formation size

Post by shavius »

I know, exactly because division is a bigger unit, It would be appropriate to make it an HQ of several battalions, instead of being a subject to another HQ.
According to the order inside the Wikipedia link you've just shared, if three sizes of formation are swapped to division/battalion, corps/regiment, and army/brigade, each headquarter would be just three levels above its subordinates. The largest independent unit would be just below the lowest level HQ, which is very tidy and orderly, also closer to their size in reality. Otherwise it would be relatively confusing, and it would avoid questions like "Why is an army HQ commanding decisions but I cant assign a brigade HQ below it which is of lower level".
Also, then you may even enable attaching a independent unit to an HQ that is not its designated level! For example attach an independent brigade to a division HQ, which is another cool thing you can do that mimic reality, also making the entire hierarchy more agile
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postfux
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RE: Suggestion about formation size

Post by postfux »

Unit designation as well as ship classification will always remain a mystery to us enenlightenend. Also each time/ nation has its own classification. ShEm has seems to simulate WWII style armies.

In a WWII setting a division was the formation where different kind of troops (infantry, tanks) were organized, giving it a high degree of independence. Its manouver elements were mostly three regiments and it had adittional support units attached, providing logistics, communications, arty, engineers, AA, AT ...

A tank division might have 1 tank and 2 armored regiments and an airborne division three airborne regiments. A regiment would consist of several battalions of typically the same kind.

For larger scale operations divisions were organized in Corps, Armies, Army Groups and Theater Commands.

A modern brigade functions as a division with the size of a regiment. It typically has battalions as manouver elements, not regiments.

Would be nice if we could really organize our ShEm armies along these lines.
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