Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

Rzhev

No rail conversion or Depot here yet. I do have almost all units within 3 hexes of a depot which is not the best thing but in this instance I got 7 planes for free that bombed the hex in the previous snapshot

[K62_]

The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: K62

The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.

True Thank you for that.

Now to see why the LI2's are so darn tough.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain




I do know Germans started a program in WWII with SAM's At least I think I remember reading that a very long time ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall

OH!!! Thank you Aurelian! I thought I read something about this long ago. I also remember reading about Germans using Helicopters in Southern Russia too. Is that true too?

Not sure if it's true, but: http://worldwartwo.filminspector.com/20 ... ar-ii.html

And before you ask Fritz-X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293

[panzer51]

ORIGINAL: K62

The flak at Sedan is well documented for destroying or damaging hundreds of Allied aircraft in a single day. I also remember seeing the log of an 88mm regiment that claimed to have destroyed hundreds of Soviet aircraft during Barbarossa. I think its reputation for being more disruptive than damaging is based on the USAAF raids, but most Soviet bombers were not as well armored as the B-17.

Sure if you fly several hundreds of planes in one formation Flak will have a field day. But that wasn't the case on the Eastern front. Most ops were conducted by no more than 10-15 planes. Losing 1 plane to Flak (10%) IMHO would be an acceptable rate and increase significantly for larger groups.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn (Real Turn Update)


Naval

Of course I failed my 1st attempt here in this game. Did not help I missed a squadron for flying. Nor the fact that I had all my Naval aircraft in my reserves, LOL. I have them on the map now so should help open this up even though I have my rail supply pretty close to the front now No Naval auto-interceptions have happened since upgraded to .09

Finally will work on Air for a bit now since I have an hour or so of free time.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

Supply

I have a TON of freight sitting on ports in the back. I know they get priority 1st & believe it is hindering supply going east. Maybe I am wrong but can't be a good thing. I am going to set these to "zero" and see what happens this turn. Just WOW on the amount of freight back here.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 12 Beginning of Turn

Supply

Again a TON of freight sitting here

[carlkay58]

Heading straight north or westerly directions are rail lines that are not typically used in supplying the eastern front so it is easy to get freight in those directions.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Heading straight north or westerly directions are rail lines that are not typically used in supplying the eastern front so it is easy to get freight in those directions.

But takes up SMP's getting freight to these locations that could be used going East. So if I shut them to zero then those depots won't get freight and thus head towards depots further to the East in my thinking. Is that not correct? Plus those ports get allocated Freight before normal depots so has to be taking away freight going East, correct Carlkay58?

[AlbertN]

Export Ports get freight allocated beforehand - not Import Ports.

That's one of the reasons in the Feature requests I asked for the switch business. You can easily set an amount of ports to Import Ports to 1 or 0 and they should release their freight over time. Also without the supposed 'local need' I am not sure why they're stocking so much either! But Konigsberg has air units closeby that feeds from it.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: AlbertN

Export Ports get freight allocated beforehand - not Import Ports.

That's one of the reasons in the Feature requests I asked for the switch business. You can easily set an amount of ports to Import Ports to 1 or 0 and they should release their freight over time. Also without the supposed 'local need' I am not sure why they're stocking so much either! But Konigsberg has air units closeby that feeds from it.

Ya, but still getting a ton of freight on both.

[carlkay58]

Yes it does use up SMPs but it is also reaching the western edge of the map to gain those SMPs while the more eastern depots do not even reach back to Poland. I have observed that rail capacity limits freight movement much more than transport capacity. So unused track is not as much a burden on the supply net as heavily used track.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: carlkay58

Yes it does use up SMPs but it is also reaching the western edge of the map to gain those SMPs while the more eastern depots do not even reach back to Poland. I have observed that rail capacity limits freight movement much more than transport capacity. So unused track is not as much a burden on the supply net as heavily used track.

I don't have any units on the Western area so a great deal of freight is sitting there. Thus getting the middle area saturated with freight would be better I would think. Also having just 1 or two export ports should be all that is needed I feel.

[coolts]

Forgive me if I’ve missed something obvious here, but you have got ports in the east set to higher priority than these, right ( set to import) ? They should then pull supply from these exporting ports and then move it inland to higher priority depots. If you have and it’s not moving, then that’s got to be a bug or a RTFM I’ve missed too.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: coolts

Forgive me if I’ve missed something obvious here, but you have got ports in the east set to higher priority than these, right ( set to import) ? They should then pull supply from these exporting ports and then move it inland to higher priority depots. If you have and it’s not moving, then that’s got to be a bug or a RTFM I’ve missed too.

No need to forgive anything, always ask questions I welcome all of them. I have Riga set at three (3) but all the shipping is still going to the export port of Liepaja (bottom left in the picture) which is set at two(2). Parnu set at two(2) & Tallinn set at two(2) for imports are only getting rail supply. This turn I am setting all export ports to zero(0) except for Koenigsberg which I will set at 2. I will set all import ports to zero(0) except for Riga which I think a 3 should be ok. What do you all think? I think all my freight is getting tied up in all of my darn ports first before supply flows east At least that is what it feels like.

[coolts]

If your nss is set at zero then setting export ports at zero should prevent them getting any supply. They should still export what they have to higher priority ports. This gets muddy when ports are connected by rail to lower priority ports as they will also pull from them making it hard to identify what’s coming from where. Check the event log.
And the 8 key to check port to port traffic.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: coolts

If your nss is set at zero then setting export ports at zero should prevent them getting any supply. They should still export what they have to higher priority ports. This gets muddy when ports are connected by rail to lower priority ports as they will also pull from them making it hard to identify what’s coming from where. Check the event log.

Berlin is set to Zero. I haven't checked the event log yet on the freight/supply which I usually do at the end of turn but thank you for reminding me since I do forget as I get caught up in the ground phase and just want to hit that end of turn button

[coolts]

I know the feeling. I spent an hour finessing a theory I had where I created a super depot with fbd and hq units but only set it to priority 3 then set neighbouring smaller depots at the front to 4. It drank its fill then fed them to full. It worked!!

Then I remembered I was supposed to be fighting a war and started attacking.

Gary Grigsbys logistics in the east 2 😁(with additional war). Nerd nirvana.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: coolts

I know the feeling. I spent an hour finessing a theory I had where I created a super depot with fbd and hq units but only set it to priority 3 then set neighbouring smaller depots at the front to 4. It drank its fill then fed them to full. It worked!!

Then I remembered I was supposed to be fighting a war and started attacking.

Gary Grigsbys logistics in the east 2 😁(with additional war). Nerd nirvana.

Thank you so much for your insight & yes the logistics is a rabbit hole for sure. Hope to figure it out soon, I hope.