What are extended maps?

[MarkShot]

I download a big zip from ChemKid, but I don't know what I have!

TMP Dot Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Hex Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Hexless Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Pure Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP RnR Borders Upgrade (X).zip
stock
TopPoMap
Yamamoto

Can extended maps be used with the stock game and scenarios?

[Alfred]

No.

You're not the first new player who has acted like the 17 year old who has just obtained their car driving learner permit and immediately asked for the telephone contact number of the owners of all the Formula 1 racing teams and feedback on which team they should offer their immediate services as a racing car driver.

Alfred

[Lokasenna]

Alfred, that doesn't make sense.

[MarkShot]

Alfred,

I have been googling for hours to find this stuff and looking at the various files. ChemKid was listed as one of the best map makers, but is AWOL. Babes made maps that allowed reduction of stacking limits. The main difference between most of these files hex representations and borders versus topo or stylized. The stock has about 8 files and the extended maybe 50.

Alfred, I think that was rude. I know it's a pandemic, and that may have interrupted your therapy visits. But if you cannot contribute, then just move along please, and don't post in my threads.

Thank you. (The next I am going to report you to a moderator. Reason: discouraging customers from purchasing Matrix products.)

PS: I am a Matrix beta since around 2003.

[MarkShot]

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[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Alfred,

I have been googling for hours to find this stuff and looking at the various files. ChemKid was listed as one of the best map makers, but is AWOL. Babes made maps that allowed reduction of stacking limits. The main difference between most of these files hex representations and borders versus topo or stylized. The stock has about 8 files and the extended maybe 50.

Alfred, I think that was rude. I know it's a pandemic, and that may have interrupted your therapy visits. But if you cannot contribute, then just move along please, and don't post in my threads.

Thank you. (The next I am going to report you to a moderator. Reason: discouraging customers from purchasing Matrix products.)

PS: I am a Matrix beta since around 2003.

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I was a tester on WITE-2, so I am very familiar with that one. It's a very good game, but it does not hold my attention like WITP-AE does.

This game is more complex, and has alot more strategy nuances, too much to possibly put here! It takes awhile to get knowledgeable, but if you're not afraid of PBEM there are newer players here

In general, a few things:

1. If you are hung-up on graphics, this is not your game. It's functional enough. If you like WITE-2, you'll be fine.
2. With 1-day turns, it's a big commitment; much more than WITE-2 with 1-week turns. Games are going to take years, literally
3. The forum is AWESOME for advice; you can post almost any question and it will get answered in detail. Use the SEARCH feature first, but acknowledge that it's not very effective all the time

I would take the plunge and buy it, you won't regret it as long as you understand the time commitment

3. Unfortunately have to disagree here. The forum has become a difficult place to ask ANY question even if you have searched the forum and manual. There are a lot of helpful people here but also difficult ones that will attack you just for asking a question. Be prepared to be chastised. I think it is because the forum and a lot of the players have been around for such a long time (We go back to PacWar, Uncommon Valor, and WITP) and everything has been discussed at some point you just have to weed through everything to find it. This can be difficult because there is so much out there. Oh and if you take a break for a few years be prepared to have to learn a lot of it all over again.

It is the biggest most complicated difficult game on the planet to learn and playing as the Japanese is a whole other level and game in itself (the economy) so you will have lots of questions. Try and find the answer yourself first but if you can't be prepared to defend your question. Like he said the search function can be difficult to use and not everything is perfectly specified in the manual and patch notes you need more player perspective/experience for a lot of things.

That being said DEFINITELY get this game. As Strategy Dojo also says in his series and I completely agree this is the best game ever made as so many here will attest and you will get a lifetime of game play. I do not think another game this great will ever be made again. I say it is the best game ever made because it was made by experts in every field that came together that will never come together again to make another game like it ever again. Truly a once in a lifetime accomplishment by an amazing team:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2173764

Now you know why I posted this. Welcome to Alfred's forum.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5094598

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

I download a big zip from ChemKid, but I don't know what I have!

TMP Dot Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Hex Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Hexless Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP Pure Borders Upgrade (X).zip
TMP RnR Borders Upgrade (X).zip
stock
TopPoMap
Yamamoto

Can extended maps be used with the stock game and scenarios?

All extended maps match Andrew Browns original extended map. He has now done an update. The extended maps are mostly for PBEM as the AI is not scripted to use them.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5089777

For AI play use the stock maps.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5082478

[MarkShot]

Tanaka,

Again thanks for the guidance.

The forums belong to the publisher. They exist to sell games and promote customer retention. Actions to the contrary require administration.

If you are neither an employee nor beta, then you are under no obligation to answer questions.

My posting here on topics and doing game tutorials was so extensive that two edited PDF volumes were made by Matrix and hosted by Matrix. Each volume was about 100 pages.

That was in the past as Matrix was sold by David Heath. But Erik is still here from the old days. These days Matrix is more of a retained brand name. The developer I was most involved with, Panther Games, decided to leave.

I used to play H2H even before the internet using a MODEM and Compuserve. I stopped in 1994 reaching the top of a USA national ladder. Mainly because many entrants were not interested in gaming, but the chance to degrade and humiliate others.

These days game expertise can be used to feed the psychotic tendencies of some individuals through forums such as these as you have noted. They avoid admin action under the cloak of being an expert. But it comes at the heavy cost of lost sales which for niche game such as this is very bad.

Tanaka, I am happy we met. My name is Mark.

[Shellshock]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

ChemKid was listed as one of the best map makers, but is AWOL.

To this day I don't think anyone quite knows what happened with the cartographically talented Chemkid. He replaced the text of all his posts with a "." which had to be a rather tedious undertaking since he was over 1,200 in the post count.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Tanaka,

Again thanks for the guidance.

The forums belong to the publisher. They exist to sell games and promote customer retention. Actions to the contrary require administration.

If you are neither an employee nor beta, then you are under no obligation to answer questions.

My posting here on topics and doing game tutorials was so extensive that two edited PDF volumes were made by Matrix and hosted by Matrix. Each volume was about 100 pages.

That was in the past as Matrix was sold by David Heath. But Erik is still here from the old days. These days Matrix is more of a retained brand name. The developer I was most involved with, Panther Games, decided to leave.

I used to play H2H even before the internet using a MODEM and Compuserve. I stopped in 1994 reaching the top of a USA national ladder. Mainly because many entrants were not interested in gaming, but the chance to degrade and humiliate others.

These days game expertise can be used to feed the psychotic tendencies of some individuals through forums such as these as you have noted. They avoid admin action under the cloak of being an expert. But it comes at the heavy cost of lost sales which for niche game such as this is very bad.

Tanaka, I am happy we met. My name is Mark.

Could not agree more. And you as well. Glad to have another Matrix vet around here especially one that has been so involved in past games. Hope you don't let the negativity run you off. Don't be afraid to ask questions! Cheers!

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Shellshock

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

ChemKid was listed as one of the best map makers, but is AWOL.

To this day I don't think anyone quite knows what happened with the cartographically talented Chemkid. He replaced the text of all his posts with a "." which had to be a rather tedious undertaking since he was over 1,200 in the post count.

ORIGINAL: JosephM

ORIGINAL: Halsey

You might not want to post Chemkids reworked maps.
There were copyright issues involved, hence no more Chemkid.

Hello Halsey,

Sorry, but Chemkid has contacted us about the issue. He made these himself and therefore there should be no copyright issue. He deleted the links on his forum posts for mods he made himself then later requested to delete his forum account. But he has confirmed he is happy for users to share his mods if users still have access to these (he chose to delete the links in his own posts himself). There was never a copyright issue to our knowledge and Chemkid is confused as to why you would suggest this. He does still monitor the forums, but due to issues in his personal life he is no longer posting.

[Platoonist]

ORIGINAL: Shellshock



To this day I don't think anyone quite knows what happened with the cartographically talented Chemkid. He replaced the text of all his posts with a "." which had to be a rather tedious undertaking since he was over 1,200 in the post count.

Yeah, it seems to me you would have to be rather motivated by something to remove your valued work and then supplant all 1238 of your posts with a full stop, when you could just simply and quietly take your leave of this place if you wished.

[MarkShot]

Well, I didn't post anyone's work. Just simply found it as a result of searching and downloaded for myself. (Also, any legal issues depend on where the owner {not creator} of those files is domociled, where the actual server is located, and where was I when I downloaded. And are the hosted files simply on a storage service, or is the service a publisher. No one is going to litigate this unless we are talking some serious $$$.)

The topo and Yamamoto stuff was quite nice, and the various HEX handling was innovative.

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Actually, I am in such a situation now. David Heath former owner of Matrix, and Dave O'Connor owner/developer of Panther Games (now published by Lock and Load) are selling the new iteration of RDOA/HTTR/COTA/BFTB/CO1 as CO2. I have a ton of content which I created here for the prior games which would still be of use to players.

But technically, it is the property of Matrix games. Sadly, I cannot make it available to the public as there are potential legal issues. Oh, well ...

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Sometimes, people like betas or modders end up at odds with developers/publishers. Here is a well known case. Nich Thomadis aka Darth in the TW Community was well known for his difficulty mods. But something happened around the release of Shogun 2 ... in that I think CA was unappreciative of all he had done to add to their sales. But rather than throw a sh*t fit or whine, he stopped modding and founded his own quite successful game studio, Game Labs, and already has a number high rated titles on Steam.

I have seen quite a few tactical games. Many games have way points, and allow the creation of front lines. His is the only game I have seen where you can draw way points like with a brush. Thus, troops can easily following the natural terrain features, and you can easily have a company take up position along a curved tree line without micro-management. Leave it to an expert modder to understand what gamers want.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Tanaka,

Again thanks for the guidance.

The forums belong to the publisher. They exist to sell games and promote customer retention. Actions to the contrary require administration.

If you are neither an employee nor beta, then you are under no obligation to answer questions.

My posting here on topics and doing game tutorials was so extensive that two edited PDF volumes were made by Matrix and hosted by Matrix. Each volume was about 100 pages.

That was in the past as Matrix was sold by David Heath. But Erik is still here from the old days. These days Matrix is more of a retained brand name. The developer I was most involved with, Panther Games, decided to leave.

I used to play H2H even before the internet using a MODEM and Compuserve. I stopped in 1994 reaching the top of a USA national ladder. Mainly because many entrants were not interested in gaming, but the chance to degrade and humiliate others.

These days game expertise can be used to feed the psychotic tendencies of some individuals through forums such as these as you have noted. They avoid admin action under the cloak of being an expert. But it comes at the heavy cost of lost sales which for niche game such as this is very bad.

Tanaka, I am happy we met. My name is Mark.

Could not agree more. And you as well. Glad to have another Matrix vet around here especially one that has been so involved in past games. Hope you don't let the negativity run you off. Don't be afraid to ask questions! Cheers!

Maybe you should desist from ad hominem attacks if you actually want some detailed answers.

Edit-spelling.

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Tanaka

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Tanaka,

Again thanks for the guidance.

The forums belong to the publisher. They exist to sell games and promote customer retention. Actions to the contrary require administration.

If you are neither an employee nor beta, then you are under no obligation to answer questions.

My posting here on topics and doing game tutorials was so extensive that two edited PDF volumes were made by Matrix and hosted by Matrix. Each volume was about 100 pages.

That was in the past as Matrix was sold by David Heath. But Erik is still here from the old days. These days Matrix is more of a retained brand name. The developer I was most involved with, Panther Games, decided to leave.

I used to play H2H even before the internet using a MODEM and Compuserve. I stopped in 1994 reaching the top of a USA national ladder. Mainly because many entrants were not interested in gaming, but the chance to degrade and humiliate others.

These days game expertise can be used to feed the psychotic tendencies of some individuals through forums such as these as you have noted. They avoid admin action under the cloak of being an expert. But it comes at the heavy cost of lost sales which for niche game such as this is very bad.

Tanaka, I am happy we met. My name is Mark.

Could not agree more. And you as well. Glad to have another Matrix vet around here especially one that has been so involved in past games. Hope you don't let the negativity run you off. Don't be afraid to ask questions! Cheers!

Maybe you should desist from ad hominem attacks if you actually want some detailed answers.

Edit-spelling.

If you are referring to me who have I attacked?

[MarkShot]

Ian,

I am not interested in the forum’s OOB.

If you have no desire to sell WITP-AE and/or assist with customer retention. then please depart my thread.

Thank you.

PS: The holiday shopping season will soon be here. Many will be visiting forums wanting to answer 2 questions. Is the game a solid buy? Is it a helpful friendly community? If you think well of GG and Team and that their efforts should be rewarded, then show it by how you behave to visitors.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Ian,

I am not interested in the forum’s OOB.

If you have no desire to sell WITP-AE and/or assist with customer retention. then please depart my thread.

Thank you.

PS: The holiday shopping season will soon be here. Many will be visiting forums wanting to answer 2 questions. Is the game a solid buy? Is it a helpful friendly community? If you think well of GG and Team and that their efforts should be rewarded, then show it by how you behave to visitors.

This is not your thread. It is a thread that you started but you do not own the thread.

[Dreamslayer]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot
PS: I am a Matrix beta since around 2003.

What if Alfred is a Matrix alpha ? [:D]

[MarkShot]

Then, he can ban me and continue his policy of hurting sales. As an employee or beta, you have a fiduciary responsibility. Read the beta agreement. See what happens to you as a beta if you leak an internal memo that HOI4 is better than the GG series for the following reasons …

You may say that as a customer. But being an employee or beta is not a democracy in the USA; maybe the UK?

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: MarkShot

Ian,

I am not interested in the forum’s OOB.

If you have no desire to sell WITP-AE and/or assist with customer retention. then please depart my thread.

Thank you.

PS: The holiday shopping season will soon be here. Many will be visiting forums wanting to answer 2 questions. Is the game a solid buy? Is it a helpful friendly community? If you think well of GG and Team and that their efforts should be rewarded, then show it by how you behave to visitors.

I will add comments on this thread as and where I think they are warranted. And your egotistical and selfish comments warrant it.

You have marched in here like some martinet and starting spitting out directives and orders like you own the place. The irony is that there are several people here who could have helped you with detailed answers... but now we won't.

Have a nice day.