Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Parel803]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>DB3K491, Idabato (Rodman 46) class, VS 201, Patrol Boat (PB), Cameroon Navy</summary>
<detail>4 units in Class. Spanish build, Rodman Vigo. First unit in 2000.
JFS15/16:
Displacement 13 tons standard, Length 14, Beam 3.8, Draft 0.9
GRP Hull, Speed 30 kts max, crew 4
Machinery 2 MAN D 2842 diesels; 900 hp, 2 Hamilton waterjets
Internet:
Displacement 19 tons full, 13 tons standard
Speed max 44 kts, Crew 5
Armament 1x 12.7mm/90 MG, 1 nav radar
Active cf FlottenTaschebuch
</detail>
<evidence>
http://old-navypedia.org/ships/cameroon ... dabato.htm
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clase_Rodman-46
</evidence>
with regards GJ

[Boagrius]

ORIGINAL: Blast33

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Generic IR camera sees F-35 at a very high distance.</summary>
<detail> The SA-22 Pantsir has a Generic IR camera attached to the system. The IR camera still sees a F-35 from more than 100Nm from behind (cruise setting). And around 51 Nm in frontal aspect. Compared to the data in the evidence link (which IR camera is in the same class) these figures are exponentially higher than the graphics.
</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1459327066739036168
</evidence>

I believe this is currently being worked on as part of a broader effort regarding IR-based VLO. The game doesn't really model it in its current form.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5017039

[Blast33]

Thank you, you spotted it already, good!

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Su-35S L-Band Wing Radar it's not a radar</summary>
<detail>

Su-35S L-Band Wing Radar (sensor_5714) is too powerful (even more than ground-based L-Band radars xD) and it's a mistake, that antenna on the Su-35 works more like IFF or ESM than anything else. I think it's not a radar. Same with the Su-57.

The Su-57 is also said to incorporate L-band radar arrays blended inside its large maneuvering leading edge extensions. These radars are more for target discrimination and identification than anything else.

This has been previously discussed on the forum:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4373897

I think it's the Type 4283 IFF:

ON-BOARD MULTIFUNCTIONAL
DIGITAL INTERROGATOR WITH ACTIVE
PHASED ANTENNA GRILLE (AFAR)

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4373897
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ew-fighter
https://www.key.aero/article/sukhoi-su- ... te-flanker
</evidence>

Thanks!

[Fido81]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>PL-19/A-235 "Nudol" Direct Ascent ASAT/ABM System</summary>
<detail>
2 missiles/TEL (road-mobile)
Immobile radar (perhaps the radar should not be included with the unit and should be a separate unit)
Max target altitude at least 485 km (demonstrated 11/2021), may be as high as 1000 km
Max target range 200-1500 km
Max interception velocity Mach 10
2 stage solid motor
Rear-aspect ASAT profile (minimizes relative velocity at intercept)
Anti-HGV capability
Conventional or kinetic warhead
</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/worl ... 5-asat.htm
https://swfound.org/media/207162/swf_gl ... s_2021.pdf pg 2-15
https://swfound.org/media/207181/swf_ru ... pr2021.pdf
https://spacenews.com/russia-destroys-s ... asat-test/
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/11 ... le-debris/
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... it-reports
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-806.html
</evidence>

[14yellow14]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>The F-35C Block 4 (aircraft_4874) ESM system is wrong, the AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda is missing.</summary>
<detail>
The F-35C Block 4 ESM system is wrong, the AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda is missing. The ESM system seems to have been replaced by the Band 2/5 ESM Reciever (just RWR) sensor and has lost capabilities.

Actually in Block 4 (from Lot 17 onwards) the EW Barracuda system gets more apertures in Bands 2 (UHF/VHF) and 5 (above Ku-band) and this new sensor should complement the existing Barracuda by simply adding ESM (not just RWR) capability in those bands.

With this upgrade and more processing power it is supposed to be able to intercept early warning radar signals such as Nebo M (VHF) and even LPI radars.

AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda is an EW suite including ESM, RWR, OECM and DECM (at least in the frontal arc with the APG-81).
The same applies to the other F-35 versions in Block 4.



</detail>

<evidence>
https://twitter.com/alexgarcialonso/sta ... 8817362959
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1392470186477953031
https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 9065421825
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... sq-239.htm

</evidence>

Thanks!

[CV60]

I'm posting this at the request of "Stanley_The_Rolmate", who is a new member, and is having trouble posting. This post refers to CWDB, not the DB3K database:


All US CA's and CAG's seem to have way too high fuel consumption values. This means they have about 13-19 hours endurance at cruise speed.

Below are the units and their fuel consumption. They all have 40 tons of oil fuel.


Creep: 44,55kg per minute
Cruise: 49,5kg per minute
Full: 94,04kg per minute
Flank 185,62kg per minute
All versions of CA Rochester
All versions of CA Macon
All versions of CA Toledo
All versions of CA Des Moines
All versions of CA Los Angeles
All Versions of CA Newport News
CA Boston
CA Saint Paul
All versions of CA Helena

Creep: 30,72kg per minute
Cruise: 34,13kg per minute
Full: 64,86kg per minute
Flank: 128,01kg per minute
All versions of CA and CAG Canbrerra
All versions of CAG and CAG Boston


In comparison CG Albany which is a conversion of a ship that's part of the same class as the CA Rochester, Has the following fuel consumption values(also carries 40 tons of oil fuel):
Creep: 0,9kg per minute
Cruise: 1kg per minute
Full: 1,89kg per minute
Flank: 3,75kg per minute

[Note from CV 60]: Looking at these numbers, it appears "Stanley_The_Rolmate" is correct. Ship _1624 shows 40 tons of fuel. I'll try to dig around a bit and see what kind of numbers I can dig up for these cruisers, but the current fuel load is wrong.

[14yellow14]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Rename AGM-88E AARGM ER (weapon_3588) to AGM-88G AARGM-ER</summary>
<detail>

Right now it is misnamed AGM-88E and is the G version.

Also, it would be nice if they added the AARGM-ER based SIAW missile for the USAF F-35A (Block 4)
From what is known initially it will be a missile based on the US Navy's AGM-88G, perhaps with a new warhead for a more varied target set. A more advanced missile will be developed later.

"SiAW is intended to "strike rapidly relocatable targets that create the anti-access/area denial environment..Targets include ballistic and cruise missile launchers, GPS jammers, anti-satellite systems and IADS.
Initial fielding by the mid-2020s"

USAF's FY22 request states that the Navy's AARGM-ER based solution (with improved warhead) will be an interim capability for its Stand In Attack Weapon program. The Air Force has requested $166 Million for #SiAW in FY-22 and has indicated plans to compete the enduring solution.

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ike-weapon
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1230893012013678592
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1403477008257007625
</evidence>

Thanks!

[Scorpion86]

ORIGINAL: CV60
I'm posting this at the request of "Stanley_The_Rolmate", who is a new member, and is having trouble posting. This post refers to CWDB, not the DB3K database:

[...]

Hey, could you post this in the CWDB thread too?

[CV60]

ORIGINAL: Scorpion86

ORIGINAL: CV60
I'm posting this at the request of "Stanley_The_Rolmate", who is a new member, and is having trouble posting. This post refers to CWDB, not the DB3K database:

[...]

Hey, could you post this in the CWDB thread too?

quote:

ORIGINAL: CV60
I'm posting this at the request of "Stanley_The_Rolmate", who is a new member, and is having trouble posting. This post refers to CWDB, not the DB3K database:

[...]


Hey, could you post this in the CWDB thread too?

Where is the CWDB thread? I couldn't fine it, and it didn't show up in my search

[KLAB]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3436158
it is the thread below this one?

[KLAB]

https://rg.ru/2021/11/22/reg-cfo/u-su-3 ... celej.html

It may be something to do with terminology and translation but this article is unequivocal that it's three L band phased array "radars".
K

ORIGINAL: 14yellow14

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Su-35S L-Band Wing Radar it's not a radar</summary>
<detail>

Su-35S L-Band Wing Radar (sensor_5714) is too powerful (even more than ground-based L-Band radars xD) and it's a mistake, that antenna on the Su-35 works more like IFF or ESM than anything else. I think it's not a radar. Same with the Su-57.

The Su-57 is also said to incorporate L-band radar arrays blended inside its large maneuvering leading edge extensions. These radars are more for target discrimination and identification than anything else.

This has been previously discussed on the forum:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4373897

I think it's the Type 4283 IFF:

ON-BOARD MULTIFUNCTIONAL
DIGITAL INTERROGATOR WITH ACTIVE
PHASED ANTENNA GRILLE (AFAR)

</detail>
<evidence>
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4373897
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... ew-fighter
https://www.key.aero/article/sukhoi-su- ... te-flanker
</evidence>

Thanks!

[14yellow14]

ORIGINAL: KLAB

https://rg.ru/2021/11/22/reg-cfo/u-su-3 ... celej.html

It may be something to do with terminology and translation but this article is unequivocal that it's three L band phased array "radars".
K

Thanks.

I've been doing some research and those claims of L-band anti-stealth radar functions are very dubious.

An antenna can be AESA and have other functions, such as IFF or communications. It doesnt mean its a search radar.
(THALES example https://www.edrmagazine.eu/thales-unvei ... -panel-iff)

The article you quote appeared yesterday and seems to confuse the SU-35 IFF suite (4283MP) with the SU-57 (N036L-1-01).

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/amp/a ... ct-stealth

Most sources I have consulted refer to these antennas as IFF or EW (including ECM and maybe search in the case of the much powerful SU-57 suite).

The (SU-35S) Type 4283MP IFF interrogator has an active electronic scanning array (AESA) located along the wing leading edges.

https://www.keymilitary.com/article/gam ... ng-flanker

The (SU-57) suite also has two N036L-1-01 L-band arrays on the wing's leading edge extensions that are not only used for friend-or-foe identification but also for electronic warfare purposes. Computer processing of the X- and L-band signals enable the systems information to be significantly enhanced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byelka_(radar)

Other aircraft have the same type of antennas in the same position for EW or communications.
https://img.militaryaerospace.com/files ... rmat&w=720

If it had a search function, an L-band radar needs to be huge to be able to track VLO targets at a certain distance and what these aircraft have are very small antennas.

In any case these sensors are incorrectly modelled in the game, it is not possible for an antenna with just a dozen modules on a fighter to have as much search power as a dedicated ground radar like the NEBO M L-BAND. Right now a Su-35S can detect VLO targets like the F-35 at the same distance as a dedicated L-band radar like the NEBO M...




Cheers

[KLAB]

For what its worth I think there is definitely something being lost in translation as I have found examples of translations which refer to "electro optical radar" meaning something like the OLS-35 electro optical sensor with a built in track and scan function etc, clearly not a radar in any sense of the English meaning of "radar" but only in the sense of a device which detects things from a distance (not using the human eye).

[Scorpion86]

ORIGINAL: CV60

ORIGINAL: Scorpion86
Hey, could you post this in the CWDB thread too?

Where is the CWDB thread? I couldn't fine it, and it didn't show up in my search

ORIGINAL: KLAB
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3436158
it is the thread below this one?

CV60, it's the exact thread KLAB linked to! There you can request addition and ammends to the CWDB!

[CV60]

CV60, it's the exact thread KLAB linked to! There you can request addition and ammends to the CWDB!

Thanks. I interpreted the title to mean requested additions to the database, not additions and corrections

[KLAB]

<type>ADD</type>
<summary>Single Survivor life Raft [2m] Generic Military</summary>
<detail>Nice to have would be a single survivor life raft. (I have not been able to find one with DB search so if it exists apologies?)

Noticed when working on some CSAR scenarios the smallest crew life raft has two people in it. Would be nice to have the ship equivalent of the facility #2046 - Stranded Personnel (1x) (Generic - 0)

As a downed aircrew it would be nice to have one crew member and perhaps give it have some form of secure comms - emergency radio which most military aircrew would have? Long term aim being that there would be comms DF?

The script is in its infancy but I am working towards getting the number of life rafts/survivors to match the crew size of the downed aircraft with a variable on survivors from aircraft by type.
At the moment if a single seat fighter gets shot down the life raft has two people in it.
In the longer term depending on my dubious LUA skills I am looking to limit the number of personnel the SAR/CSAR helo can pick up as I noticed they do not seem to ever run out of space, so my 412 rescue helo had about thirty people on board at one point!
As ever just an idea and for consideration.
K
</detail>
<evidence>That one person ejects the life raft would only have one person in it [:D]</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>UPDATE</type>
<summary>Add additional Mk-13 loadouts to #418 Tejas</summary>
<detail> More photos have become available with operational loadouts. Noticing more Archers than Pythons lately. That is probably the standard AAM.</detail>
1)Heavy 6 Mk-13 1000lb bombs, 2 Archers, 1 725kg drop tank
2)Long range 2 Mk-13, 3 725kg drop tanks, 2 Archers, 1 Lightening Pod
3)Standard 4 Mk-13, 2 725Kg drop tanks, 2 Archers, 1 Lightening Pod
</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/warplane_porn/statu ... 7504890887
https://thebharatmilitaryreview.blogspo ... tejas.html
https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/l ... 23&slide=0
https://twitter.com/JaidevJamwal/status ... 80/photo/1
https://thebharatmilitaryreview.blogspo ... ombat.html
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Update</type>
<summary>Russian SA-13 [9K-35 Strela-10] Updated with 9M333 Missile. New unit referred to as SA-13M</summary>
<detail>Russian SA-13's have been updated with a more capable missile called the 9M3333. This has been requested in the past so first are that. Additional info added. Check out the last link too. Describes the differences in launchers and missile tech.</detail>
<evidence>
fb.asp?m=4930514
fb.asp?m=4931373
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... 9m333-sams
https://rostec.ru/news/kalashnikov-vypo ... ykh-raket/
https://en.topwar.ru/178528-zenitnaja-r ... la-10.html
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/12987 ... Z1jgNDMJhE
https://www.airrecognition.com/index.ph ... roops.html
</evidence>

[BDukes]

<type>Add</type>
<summary>Add Algerian Mig-29M2 2021 x14</summary>
<detail>Pictures and movies of Algerian Mig-29M2 taken so probably a good add. Loadouts similar to Egypt's.</detail>
<evidence>
https://twitter.com/warplane_porn/statu ... 4873997324
https://twitter.com/RealAirPower1/statu ... 7613092871
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/f ... to-algeria
https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/b ... n-mig-29m2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJf347CsE04
</evidence>