Tac bombing before medium bombers?

[SittingDuck]

So someone correct me if I am wrong here, but wouldn't medium bombers carpet an area first before tac bombers, in general. If I'm sending in both to an area, would not medium be ideal to do before tac?

Currently the game has tac air going first, then medium bombers.

Just curious.

Given that medium bombers can reduce entrenchment, with tac really not doing much, I would definitely think so.

[redrum68]

Why wouldn't you do medium before tac bombers in the game?

[SittingDuck]

I do.

The AI does not.

[redrum68]

Oh I have no idea what order the AI does it and if its consistent or just randomly picks one. Honestly, I don't think the order matters that much. I've seen people attack with ground units before doing bombing which is way worse!

[petedalby]

Honestly, I don't think the order matters that much.

I think it might do. If you use attacks that get rid of entrenchment levels first - like artillery & Med Bombers - you are more likely to inflict damage with land units and / or Tac Bombers. Or at least that's my experience.

[redrum68]

I think it might do. If you use attacks that get rid of entrenchment levels first - like artillery & Med Bombers - you are more likely to inflict damage with land units and / or Tac Bombers. Or at least that's my experience.

Agree though at least early game Tac bombers don't have much attack. They are mostly just hitting unit morale.

[havoc1371]

Mediums are good for lowering a ground unit's readiness, Tac for inflicting losses. I use mediums to wear down a unit prior to Tac, and then the ground attack.

[SittingDuck]

Yeah, this was how I thought it was supposed to be done.

I suggest that the devs alter the sequence so the AI can be operating from a more sound approach (relative to how the combat damage/de-entrenchment/etc works)

[SittingDuck]

Yeah, this was how I thought it was supposed to be done.

I suggest that the devs alter the sequence so the AI can be operating from a more sound approach (relative to how the combat damage/de-entrenchment/etc works)

[Hubert Cater]

I can certainly add this to the list [:)]

[SittingDuck]

I feel like I'm running up an X-mas wish list!

[Chernobyl]

ORIGINAL: redrum68
I've seen people attack with ground units before doing bombing which is way worse!

I disagree that it's always incorrect to attack with land units before air units.

[redrum68]

I disagree that it's always incorrect to attack with land units before air units.

Sorry to clarify its not always worse but probably 95% of the time you should use air before ground. That is true for Tacs vs Medium Bombers as well in that there are some cases where using the Tac first is better.

[OldCrowBalthazor]

ORIGINAL: redrum68

I disagree that it's always incorrect to attack with land units before air units.

Sorry to clarify its not always worse but probably 95% of the time you should use air before ground. That is true for Tacs vs Medium Bombers as well in that there are some cases where using the Tac first is better.

I second this motion (notion)!

[havoc1371]

ORIGINAL: Chernobyl

ORIGINAL: redrum68
I've seen people attack with ground units before doing bombing which is way worse!

I disagree that it's always incorrect to attack with land units before air units.

Not really. If you attack first with bombers from a CV, they tend to be less effective and take losses. If you attack with land based bombers and ground units, then you use the CV bombers to finish off the unit, especially if it retreats beyond your ability to attack it on the ground.

[SittingDuck]

That has to do with entrenchment capacity of armies (not corps). Yeah, sometimes if a unit is at level 3-6, it is good to take a few tags with an army or two, then the defender is ripe for bombing casualties.

There is no one correct way, but the AI will need some hierarchy for attack. It follows this all the time.

[ThunderLizard11]

ANother AI improvement opportunity. I'd like to see simplier stuff done first like AI not leaving air units close to front. Has that been fixed?

[SittingDuck]

Well this is not a complicated change as it requires re-ordering a sequence, not building a lot of code (I don't think).

[DrZom]

ORIGINAL: ThunderLizard2

ANother AI improvement opportunity. I'd like to see simplier stuff done first like AI not leaving air units close to front. Has that been fixed?

I have seen the AI station German maritime bombers in the middle of Eastern Europe, far from any coastline. There seems to be room for improvement. [:D]

[SittingDuck]

And deep in Russia lol

"Vas ist dis Maritime bomber?!?"

QUICK! Plug the line before the Soviets counterattack.

Something like that.