Luftwaffe vs VVS - GC41 - First Turn Bombing Tips

[56ajax]

There was some minor tweaking. This was done on 3k sorties. The challenge is now is to reduce the number of sorties and up the kills with additional ADs.

[56ajax]

This is my best result so far. At the moment I dont think I will do much more until the bug that causes flak damage as listed as operational losses is corrected.

[Zovs]

I have 'codified' and modified jubjub's and metaphore's AD ideas. You can still use there settings using this guide if you like (metaphore generally used 40(10) and jubjub used generally 30(10)) and they used a few different priorities then I did.

I created it in Word but it's 92 megs and it won't zip, but I kind of created it as a PDF.

Any feedback is welcomed.

[Zovs]

Well the zip file was too big.

Hopefully this works:

[Zovs]

There is a screw up by yours truly on the very first AD (Luft 1) I'll need to correct the document and repost.

Sorry.

[PeteJC]

Zovs thanks so much for doing this and thanks to those of you who have been doing testing and adding your comments and results. This not only helps me (and others) maximize our first turn results but is an excellent learning tool for understanding the air mechanics in general.

Is the version 1.2 document at the beginning of the post still the most up to date?

[Zovs]

Yes the latest is in the first post. 1.2 sounds right but I am away from PC till next week to check.

Oh, YW, thanks for the kind words.

[PeteJC]

Thanks Zovs and also apologies for asking this in the wrong post. Should have been yours. But I can use this time to thanks Metaphore for starting this excellent post in the first place.

[supersixfour]

So whats the current record for 1st turn inflicted vs own losses?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: supersixfour

So whats the current record for 1st turn inflicted vs own losses?

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The least Axis Losses to the most Soviet Losses? Is that the question?

[supersixfour]

I guess kill ratio would be the best stat, but with added condition that atleast 3000 enemy were destroyed?
Then again what would be the best result when calculating the impact on the whole campaign?

[Zovs]

If you look on my thread and use the document I created you should get a good result return. I just started a MP game and after the turn Axis Air Execution Phase I lost 149 air frames with 74 pilots KIA vs the Soviets 4,014 lost airframes with 685 pilots KIA.

I think my first turn is pretty optimized, I am sure it could be improved.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: supersixfour

I guess kill ratio would be the best stat, but with added condition that atleast 3000 enemy were destroyed?
Then again what would be the best result when calculating the impact on the whole campaign?

I asked for a thread to be created based off of my game and this is the thread.

In the game that this thread was created from my stats were

41 German aircraft (15 pilots lost) for 3998 Soviet Aircraft (1270 pilots lost)

I am sure there are others out there that have done better than that and can chime in with their numbers.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: supersixfour

I guess kill ratio would be the best stat, but with added condition that atleast 3000 enemy were destroyed?
Then again what would be the best result when calculating the impact on the whole campaign?

I asked for a thread to be created based off of my game and this is the thread.

In the game that this thread was created from my stats were

41 German aircraft (15 pilots lost) for 3998 Soviet Aircraft (1270 pilots lost)

I am sure there are others out there that have done better than that and can chime in with their numbers.

The first turn numbers are nice but the impact on the whole campaign is negligible at best in my opinion.

[ImperatorAugustus]

Could someone post the save files for the AD? Seems much better than redoing them.

[ImperatorAugustus]

Hey newer player here. Used the info here and optimized it further. 2741 Sorties, 96 losses, 4062 Soviets destroyed. Pre Ground phase.

I cannot post links yet so I can give you my discord for a link if you want.

I do feel as though some of the long range strikes that are suggested above are high risk of interception near Riga, Daugapvpils, Odessa, and some others on occasion and would not recommend them on a one and done run as you can lose 100 bombers. Which is rather silly imo given soviet capabilities.

It may be worth hitting the TB3s near Kiev but I didnt test and is a long haul.

Crimea is unsuspectingly safe, but puts a lot of miles on the planes.

Key: Close - Near border, Mid range - Near of full escort

In my opinion the strategic priority ranking should be as follows: (This test was based on Zovs guide and not this list)
1. Destruction or damage to all nearby modern fighters
2. Destruction or damage to all nearby fighters
3. Minimizing German fighter casualties
4. Complete Destruction of all modern fighters in South Western Front (You wont overrun these before they can run so you want to be sure to blow them all up)
5. Complete Destruction of all fighters in South Western Front (You wont overrun these before they can run so you want to be sure to blow them all up)
6. Complete Destruction of all recon, modern attackers, and TB3s in South Western Front (You wont overrun these before they can run so you want to be sure to blow them all up)
7. Mid range strikes on targets as listed on 1/2
8. Destruction or damage to nearby recon, modern attackers, and TB3s
9. Destruction or damage to mid range recon, modern attackers, and TB3s
10. Crimea Deep strikes
11. Destruction of obsolete planes
12. Minimize German bomber losses
13. Minimize Sorties
14. Other deep strikes in same focus order as above

[Craig1975]

Hi all, first time post.

Firstly, many thanks for the detailed and easy to follow help on manually constructing AD's. I only have one question on the reassigning of Rumanian air to an airbase at Husi (209,206). I am using the latest beta patch and there is no airbase there, am i missing something or has this changed in the newer patches?

[Zovs]

It was removed in one of the last patches.

[Rexzapper]

Hi all, first time post.

Firstly, many thanks for the detailed and easy to follow help on manually constructing AD's. I only have one question on the reassigning of Rumanian air to an airbase at Husi (209,206). I am using the latest beta patch and there is no airbase there, am i missing something or has this changed in the newer patches?

Husi airbase no longer exists (it was built in 1943 so it cannot exist in Barbarossa), you must use some other nearby airbase instead.

[BigDuke66]

Maybe a silly question for the air cracks here but I think nobody mentioned the schedule settings and I'm unsure about them or more likely misunderstand how the engine works.
so, latest beta came with afaik jubjub's AD and the attacks there are all D1 only. Axis guide also notes that there are dimishing results for bombing through the week and one should bomb D1 and only maybe D2.
So should I bomb on D2 to maximize Soviet kills?