Recon groups and their planes

[Stamb]

This is screenshots from T62 GC vs AI.

This is a typical recon AOG.


As you can see all of the groups are missing planes. This is true for all other recon groups of similar type that can not be upgraded to JU*-* planes.

Lets look onto production screen.



We can see that only 8 Hs 126B-1 were build per turn for a pretty short period of time, until 11-41.



Later on they are supposed to be upgraded to a FW 189A. Which has production rate of 6 per turn.



The problem is that there are a lot of JU 88D-1 (production: 14 per turn) and JU 88D-2 (previous model, I do not remember production rate) planes that are sitting in a pool.



And I can not select this planes for my AOGs:




As a result I am missing 181 recon planes, if I can count (don't trust me here), which will basically never refit as vast majority of missing planes are Hs 126B-1 that are not produced any more and their newer version, FW 189A, has production rate of 6. And in the same time i have 305 JU 88D-1 and 123 JU 88D-2 that can't be used because only 10 planes can be in a group, and groups that can actually use this planes are limited, see previous messages.



I was playing vs AI and for some reason (this is my first GC) I was not using recon actively.

Now playing GC vs human I use recon. So my losses (maybe due to flak???) and a need of a recon planes is even higher. As a result my recon fleet is in a pretty bad shape.

TL;DR, can we have an ability to use all recon planes in all recon AOGs?

[Denniss]

Germans disbanded lots of recon groups in and around 1942 for exact this reason - insufficient replacement aircraft.

[Stamb]

But they found a usage for the other recon planes, right?

[Denniss]

We may have not all units ingame that used the long range Ju88D such as weather recon units.
I need to look at the recon units again regarding Bf 110 usage, it seems the 110 was replaced as strat recon by the far longer ranged Ju 88D and thus relegated to tac recon duties.

List of disbands, possibly incomplete:
7.(F)/LG 2 should become (H) in 1/42 and disband in 7/42
3.(H)/12 should disband 1/43
6. and 7.(H)/12 should disband 1/42
5.(H)/13 should disband 1/42
6.(H)/13 should disband 1/43
1.and 5.(H)/14 should disband 2/42
4.-7.(H)/21 should disband 1/42
4.(H)/22 should disband 1/42
3. and 5.(H)/23 should disband 1/42
5.-6.(H)/31 should disband 1/42
2.(H)/32 should disband 1/43
3.-4.(H)/32 should disband 7/42
8.(H)/32 should disband 2/42
2. and 6.(H)/41 should disband 1/43
4.(H)/41 should disband 7/42

[Stamb]

I understand that from a history point of view they were disbanded and game tries to replicate it but I do not think that Germans allow 200-400+ recon planes stay in a cover and rust like we have right now.
Maybe I'm wrong, not a history expert.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Stamb

I understand that from a history point of view they were disbanded and game tries to replicate it but I do not think that Germans allow 200-400+ recon planes stay in a cover and rust like we have right now.
Maybe I'm wrong, not a history expert.

well I never have any problems running out of recon planes of all types (T106):

[Stamb]

I am on turn 11/12. I am doing recon actively, not sure how many planes do you need per hex to get an ok result. So i use auto settings, maybe this is a problem + flak losses.

And screens are from another game vs AI and as you can see i still miss a lot of planes that i can not replace with other models from a pool.