Convoy escort advancement

[ncc1701e]

Is it because the Allies player in WPE don't play WPP? Thanks to WPP, I have learned to put two / three small naval stacks together and supporting each other.

With the small fleet scenario, this is the end of the big Allies Death Star that Naval Air Strike can't even damage.
An interesting new dimension to naval combat.

In the above screenshot, this UK naval stack was near Libya without air support and near an UK sub. Both were in Raider mode given the fact they did not try to do a naval interception.
Royal Navy will now have to remain in Eastern Med in 1940.

[stjeand]

I took out 3 CVs and a BB in a giant fleet...yes it cost me air but cost the UK more.

NOW air can attack without recourse. You might lose 1 or 2 planes but they will smash your ships especially CVs since they are targeted first now and are not able to have adequate escorts.

With this scenario it breaks land based air for me.
You basically said hey ships are too safe now lets make air completely overpower them.

Success.

In 1940 the UK can't even sail in the Med...the Germans will have 8 bombers with 3 Italian just waiting to pounce.


But if you like it play it...

As I said this will be the scenario ever Axis player should want...and every Allied player should not.

[sveint]

I like small fleet too. And Axis air dominance in the Med only lasts until early 41.

Historically the UK lost a lot more ships than most Allied players do. Small Fleets is great, in my opinion.

[redrum68]

I like the small fleets for the most part (though a max of 4-6 might be better than 3 to allow for more escort ships) but tend to agree with @stjeand that it makes land based air really strong against fleets then. Personally I think land based air naval strike just needs to be toned down a bit now that you can't have a giant doom stack of ships to defend against it. I think Axis air dominance in the Med as long as they commit to it will last at least until the USA joins and possibly even longer depending how many air units UK/USA build.

[stjeand]

Also do not forget that you tripled the strength of the Uboats vs surface ships...
They can now just be in fleet mode and just hit ships as they come to defend the convoy lanes.

Try it out. Suspect it will go very poorly for the UK...may not even be able to cover their lanes anymore.

[redrum68]

Yeah I noticed subs in fleet mode interdicting smaller surface ships fleets seems pretty strong. Even moving a stack of say 3 patrol groups to fight 3 subs, the results often seem not so great even though that should be a direct counter to the subs in fleet mode...

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: stjeand

In 1940 the UK can't even sail in the Med...the Germans will have 8 bombers with 3 Italian just waiting to pounce.

Yes it is 1940. I recommend you this book:
World War II at Sea: A Global History by Craig L. Symonds

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/361 ... -ii-at-sea

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: stjeand

Also do not forget that you tripled the strength of the Uboats vs surface ships...
They can now just be in fleet mode and just hit ships as they come to defend the convoy lanes.

Try it out. Suspect it will go very poorly for the UK...may not even be able to cover their lanes anymore.

Since you are not upgrading your ships, they are all at 1939 level. Have a look at the advancement table for Warships or for Large Warships. I am upgrading my ships also for Anti-Sub value.

So yes, I invest in my navy as Allies. So yes, I don't have a big land army to do D-Day in Normandy in 1941.
That's what is cool with Warplan. You can lose the way you want to.

[Nirosi]

You can lose the way you want to.

I concur! [:D]

[boldairade]

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I always think i might be winning...right up until i lose!

[redrum68]

Since you are not upgrading your ships, they are all at 1939 level. Have a look at the advancement table for Warships or for Large Warships. I am upgrading my ships also for Anti-Sub value.

So yes, I invest in my navy as Allies. So yes, I don't have a big land army to do D-Day in Normandy in 1941.
That's what is cool with Warplan. You can lose the way you want to.

Up to 1943, Warships only increase Anti-Sub by 1 so you would be spending quite a lot for pretty little increase.

With stacks of 3 subs vs 3 patrol at 1939 tech you get:
Subs: 4 surface, 7 defense, 120 production for total of 12 surface, 21 defense, 360 production
Patrol: 4 anti-sub, 4 defense, 300 production for total of 12 anti-sub, 12 defense, 900 production

I think those ratios go even more in the favor of subs as you upgrade both. Which of those would you choose?