1.06 overrun

[eskuche]

I overran an 8 strength UK/Indian (forget) division vs. Hadros. The game was started on 1.05 and we both upgraded to 1.06. Just giving you a heads up in case it's a programming issue vs. simply doesn't-apply-to-in-progress-games issue.

[AlvaroSousa]

What were the odds?
You sure it was a division?

It literally can't overrun a unit without it being 1/3rds its health.

[eskuche]

Absolutely sure it was a division, odds 1:3-1:5, I forget. I had another one at 4/10 strength overrun without being destroyed at 1:4-1:6 odds last turn. Hadrocs an confirm (he brought it up, as it should not be the case currently).

Edit: is it possible it's programmed to be 1/3 of maximum unit combat value instead of strength, or 1/3 of a full corps (aka 10 strength) for all units, limited to some nations?

[eskuche]

More evidence: 4/10 HQ, two 6/15 chinese armies.

[BJGeary]

I've lost count of the number of times that the pre-combat odds shown on the map says 10:1 and when I look at the log after the battle the log only shows 4:1, regardless of whether the unit is overrun, shattered, or surrenders. I think it's a log report bug, not an actual error in the combat calc, and it's been like this since 1.05 (or earlier).

[eskuche]

I've lost count of the number of times that the pre-combat odds shown on the map says 10:1 and when I look at the log after the battle the log only shows 4:1, regardless of whether the unit is overrun, shattered, or surrenders. I think it's a log report bug, not an actual error in the combat calc, and it's been like this since 1.05 (or earlier).

Oh, yeah, I’m aware of that discrepancy. I’m not talking about the 7:1 odds requirement here. I’m talking about the newly implemented must be under “1/3 strength” one.

[BJGeary]

Oh, yeah, I’m aware of that discrepancy. I’m not talking about the 7:1 odds requirement here. I’m talking about the newly implemented must be under “1/3 strength” one.

But the "proof" in the screenshots in your last post show that the Chinese armies only had 6/30 when they were overrun, which is less than the 10/30 needed to satisfy the 1/3 requirement. The HQ, which should have been at 3 or less, lost "4" points. This may be a rounding-up issue if the game tracks fractional strength points and the unit was at between 3.0 and 3.33?

[eskuche]

Oh, yeah, I’m aware of that discrepancy. I’m not talking about the 7:1 odds requirement here. I’m talking about the newly implemented must be under “1/3 strength” one.

But the "proof" in the screenshots in your last post show that the Chinese armies only had 6/30 when they were overrun, which is less than the 10/30 needed to satisfy the 1/3 requirement. The HQ, which should have been at 3 or less, lost "4" points. This may be a rounding-up issue if the game tracks fractional strength points and the unit was at between 3.0 and 3.33?

The Chinese were half-armies of 6/15. It is theoretically possible that units can lose to under 1/3 during a battle and then be overrun, showing a full loss of the starting value that is above 1/3. However, this has happened to multiple 6+ strength divisions in my past few turns, so I don't think that's likely that they would lose 3 strength every time.

[AlvaroSousa]

Damage is applied first.
Then overrun is calculated.

So if a 10 point division takes 7 losses.... you bet your ass those guys are panicking.