Why do pirates only raid?

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Why do pirates only raid?

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They can easily take over my stations and planets if they wanted too...
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Because they actin' like pirates aren't they. They just want the loot.
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Tanaka wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:57 am They can easily take over my stations and planets if they wanted too...
Because then they would be responsible for upkeep.
And you know they consider it a dirty word - responsibility.

DW1 had playable pirates and a way for pirates to take over planets evtually. It was cut for release, but might make a comeback later.
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I doubt your average pirate faction has the manpower needed to police an entire planet.
At best they could achieve orbital supremacy and threaten orbital bombardment should they not get a regular tribute paid, which is actually what they kind of do right now.
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Ranbir wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:53 am Because they actin' like pirates aren't they. They just want the loot.
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Arthanis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:00 pm I doubt your average pirate faction has the manpower needed to police an entire planet.
At best they could achieve orbital supremacy and threaten orbital bombardment should they not get a regular tribute paid, which is actually what they kind of do right now.
In DW1 they could take over planets.

It started with them building a "Pirate Hideout" in wake of their raid. Which added corruption and transfered all corruption cash to them.
Then there was a 2nd tier. And the 3rd tier just transfered ownership completely. At this point they could recrtui armies and were de-facto a real empire.
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More pirates stuff coming. Just be patient....GP
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zgrssd wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm
Arthanis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:00 pm I doubt your average pirate faction has the manpower needed to police an entire planet.
At best they could achieve orbital supremacy and threaten orbital bombardment should they not get a regular tribute paid, which is actually what they kind of do right now.
In DW1 they could take over planets.

It started with them building a "Pirate Hideout" in wake of their raid. Which added corruption and transfered all corruption cash to them.
Then there was a 2nd tier. And the 3rd tier just transfered ownership completely. At this point they could recrtui armies and were de-facto a real empire.
Yeah it was so great. I miss this aspect of the pirates feeling alive and turning into bigger factions as they took over everything...
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btd64 wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:02 pm More pirates stuff coming. Just be patient....GP
Good, more for me to turn off. I hate those pirates.
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in DW1 pirates also could have alot of traders to smuggle recources around... so some pirate factions were more into raiding, some more into captureing ships, others moreinto smuggling... will be great when that all comes back at some point.
and player pirate start.
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zgrssd wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm
Arthanis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:00 pm I doubt your average pirate faction has the manpower needed to police an entire planet.
At best they could achieve orbital supremacy and threaten orbital bombardment should they not get a regular tribute paid, which is actually what they kind of do right now.
In DW1 they could take over planets.

It started with them building a "Pirate Hideout" in wake of their raid. Which added corruption and transfered all corruption cash to them.
Then there was a 2nd tier. And the 3rd tier just transfered ownership completely. At this point they could recrtui armies and were de-facto a real empire.
This was a very long term mechanic though as it simulated the pirates advancement of getting their agents and lackeys into the relevant planetary power structures and take over control of them. No real fighting involved until they get exposed and ran off by military assault on their hidden strongholds.
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Lunalis wrote: Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:59 pm in DW1 pirates also could have alot of traders to smuggle recources around... so some pirate factions were more into raiding, some more into captureing ships, others moreinto smuggling... will be great when that all comes back at some point.
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Cos to invade a planet you need ground troops, and to recruit ground troops you need a planet. And they start with no planets!

No good reason mechanically or narratively why they can't take over your stations, but I guess it's just for balance - they want them to be a nuisance not a major competitor.

That said, i really can't wait for them to become playable like in the DW1 expansion!
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baldamundo wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:10 am Cos to invade a planet you need ground troops, and to recruit ground troops you need a planet. And they start with no planets!

No good reason mechanically or narratively why they can't take over your stations, but I guess it's just for balance - they want them to be a nuisance not a major competitor.

That said, i really can't wait for them to become playable like in the DW1 expansion!
They start with plenty of troops though. More than double I have on my planets and stations.
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Tanaka wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:39 am
baldamundo wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:10 am Cos to invade a planet you need ground troops, and to recruit ground troops you need a planet. And they start with no planets!

No good reason mechanically or narratively why they can't take over your stations, but I guess it's just for balance - they want them to be a nuisance not a major competitor.

That said, i really can't wait for them to become playable like in the DW1 expansion!
They start with plenty of troops though. More than double I have on my planets and stations.
Do they really? I thought you could only have ground troops on planets or ships with transport modules, and i didn't think the AI builds transport modules on anything except transports, and i've never seen pirates with military transports?
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Tanaka wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:39 am
baldamundo wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:10 am Cos to invade a planet you need ground troops, and to recruit ground troops you need a planet. And they start with no planets!

No good reason mechanically or narratively why they can't take over your stations, but I guess it's just for balance - they want them to be a nuisance not a major competitor.

That said, i really can't wait for them to become playable like in the DW1 expansion!
They start with plenty of troops though. More than double I have on my planets and stations.
That is a raiding force. Which I think you have on every ship with Boarding Pods.
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zgrssd wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:13 pm
Tanaka wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:39 am
baldamundo wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:10 am Cos to invade a planet you need ground troops, and to recruit ground troops you need a planet. And they start with no planets!

No good reason mechanically or narratively why they can't take over your stations, but I guess it's just for balance - they want them to be a nuisance not a major competitor.

That said, i really can't wait for them to become playable like in the DW1 expansion!
They start with plenty of troops though. More than double I have on my planets and stations.
That is a raiding force. Which I think you have on every ship with Boarding Pods.
Well their raiding force from boarding pods could easily take my planets and stations haha
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